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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 01-04-2011, 09:47 PM

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what the f*ck is this "give way to" shit... damn tower flowers almost as bad as center pukes...

It's the FAA's approved phraseology established in conjunction with the contracting agency in our Ramp Tower's MOU. Next Question
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 01-04-2011, 09:50 PM

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1. "Give way" is not part of the phraseology required to be used.
Ref. - Taxi and Ground Movement Operations

2. You would say the following: "...behind the Gulfstream" or "follow the Gulfstream" or "Follow the G5", or "Follow the Gulfstream G5"
Ref. - 2-4-21, Description of Aircraft Types

Ref. -3-7-2, Taxi and Ground Movement Operations
Note - 2-4-21 only provides examples of what they want you to use. According to the definition of "EXAMPLE", if there is no associated phraseology, you may use other words that get the same message across. The things above I stated are also examples. However, the .65 is clear as to what must be included when describing aircraft. It even separates the requirement by category (Military, Air Carrier, etc.).

3. For your next question, you apply the same rule as answered in #2 above.

4. You do not have to know every series and sub-type. You can just realize that a Boeying 737 is a 737 regardless if it's a 9 series. However, if there are 2 or 3, you may want to specify "...the 2nd B737" etc.
Hey thanks for the useful reply! Ramp Control is a little different than ATC, so I will have lots to learn. Appreciate you clarifying and explaining the above. Cheers!
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 03-11-2011, 10:40 AM

I snagged this list from the Penguin site and made a few modifications. This seems like a good place to start with types, weight classes an SRS catergories.

ex: Aircraft "make and model"...designator weight class(H,L,S)/SRS catergory (1,2,3)

Airliners:
Airbus A300... A300 H/3
Airbus A310... A310 H/3
Boeing 727... B727 L/3
Boeing 737... B737 L/3
Boeing 747... B747 H/3
Boeing 757... B757 H/3
Boeing 777... B777 H/3
Dehavilland Dash 8... DH8 L/3
Douglas DC-9... DC9 L/3
Douglas DC-10... DC10 H/3
Fokker F100... F100 L/3
McDonnell Douglas MD-11... MD11 H/3
McDonnell Douglas MD-80... MD80 L/3

Single Engine Prop (Small/Cat 1):
Beechcraft Bonanza... BE35
Cessna 172... C172
Cessna 182... C182
Piper Cherokee... P28A

Twin Engine Prop (Small/Cat II):
Aero Commander... AC68
Aerostar... AEST
Beechcraft Baron... BE58
Beechcraft Duke... BE60
Cessna 310... C310
Cessna 421... C421
Piper Navajo... PA31
Piper Seneca... PA34

Corporate Jets:
Cessna Citation 500 or 550... C500, C550 S/3
Challenger... CL60 L/3
Falcon 2000... FA20 S/3
Gulfstream V... GLF5 L/3
Learjet... LJ35, LJ45 S/3
Sabreliner... SBR1 S/3

Military and Helicopters:
Bell UH-1 "Huey" Iroquis... UH1
Boeing F-15 Eagle... F15 L/3
Lockheed Martin F-16 Falcon... F16 L/3
Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker... C135 H/3
McDonnell Douglas KC-10 Extender... DC10 H/3
Coast Guard Sikorsky HH-60 Jayhawk... HH60

Aircraft Weight Classes
Heavy. Aircraft capable of takeoff weights of 300,000 pounds or more whether or not they are operating at this weight during a particular phase of flight.
Large. Aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds, maximum certificated takeoff weight, up to but not including 300,000 pounds.
Small. Aircraft of 41,000 pounds or less maximum certificated takeoff weight.

Aircraft Same Runway Separation (SRS) Categories
CATEGORY I- small aircraft weighing 12,500 lbs. or less, with a single propeller driven engine, and all helicopters.
CATEGORY II- small aircraft weighing 12,500 lbs. or less, with propeller driven twin-engines.
CATEGORY III- all other aircraft.
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 03-11-2011, 04:43 PM

[QUOTE=duranme;128715]what the f*ck is this "give way to" shit... damn tower flowers almost as bad as center pukes...[/QUOTEd

Damn i guess someone was never taught the meaning of the word "respect" in their f*cking life....
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-11-2011, 11:26 PM

cleared to land
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-13-2011, 05:16 PM

Anyone who is willing to answer some questions for me will you please message me. I'm getting ready to start ground school and I don't know anyone in ATC. Thanks!
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-13-2011, 06:32 PM

Hold Short
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-13-2011, 08:34 PM

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What is some "must know ahead of time" information for CTI graduates going to OKC? MY CTI program was completely based around ARTCC and I've been placed in a tower. I have an ATB study guide and of course have the 7110 and the FAR's but if there is anything specific I should be glancing over let me know. Thanks.
Did you go to MCTC ( MARC )?

Why did you get a tower?

I thought it was such a joke when MARC became CTI and they said we may get towers. Waste of money.

"Basics" at the Academy is nothing more than the intro classes taught online at MCTC.... So you'll skip that and the tower class will give you everything you need.
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-13-2011, 09:09 PM

Things you must know for tower:


1. How to say "okay" when corrected.

2. How to do whatever your trainer(s) say(s) during every portion of training.

These 2 secrets will help you get through the training program. If you don't do these things, it will make for a long training program.
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Re: Tower training "must knows'?
Posted: 08-14-2011, 04:18 AM

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I snagged this list from the Penguin site and made a few modifications. This seems like a good place to start with types, weight classes an SRS catergories.

ex: Aircraft "make and model"...designator weight class(H,L,S)/SRS catergory (1,2,3)

Airliners:
Airbus A300... A300 H/3
Airbus A310... A310 H/3
Boeing 727... B727 L/3
Boeing 737... B737 L/3
Boeing 747... B747 H/3
Boeing 757... B757 H/3
Boeing 777... B777 H/3
Dehavilland Dash 8... DH8 L/3
Douglas DC-9... DC9 L/3
Douglas DC-10... DC10 H/3
Fokker F100... F100 L/3
McDonnell Douglas MD-11... MD11 H/3
McDonnell Douglas MD-80... MD80 L/3

Single Engine Prop (Small/Cat 1):
Beechcraft Bonanza... BE35
Cessna 172... C172
Cessna 182... C182
Piper Cherokee... P28A

Twin Engine Prop (Small/Cat II):
Aero Commander... AC68
Aerostar... AEST
Beechcraft Baron... BE58
Beechcraft Duke... BE60
Cessna 310... C310
Cessna 421... C421
Piper Navajo... PA31
Piper Seneca... PA34

Corporate Jets:
Cessna Citation 500 or 550... C500, C550 S/3
Challenger... CL60 L/3
Falcon 2000... FA20 S/3
Gulfstream V... GLF5 L/3
Learjet... LJ35, LJ45 S/3
Sabreliner... SBR1 S/3

Military and Helicopters:
Bell UH-1 "Huey" Iroquis... UH1
Boeing F-15 Eagle... F15 L/3
Lockheed Martin F-16 Falcon... F16 L/3
Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker... C135 H/3
McDonnell Douglas KC-10 Extender... DC10 H/3
Coast Guard Sikorsky HH-60 Jayhawk... HH60

Aircraft Weight Classes
Heavy. Aircraft capable of takeoff weights of 300,000 pounds or more whether or not they are operating at this weight during a particular phase of flight.
Large. Aircraft of more than 41,000 pounds, maximum certificated takeoff weight, up to but not including 300,000 pounds.
Small. Aircraft of 41,000 pounds or less maximum certificated takeoff weight.

Aircraft Same Runway Separation (SRS) Categories
CATEGORY I- small aircraft weighing 12,500 lbs. or less, with a single propeller driven engine, and all helicopters.
CATEGORY II- small aircraft weighing 12,500 lbs. or less, with propeller driven twin-engines.
CATEGORY III- all other aircraft.
u realize there's a S+ category right??

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