FAST a/c

wippster Rookie

20 year Navy vet here working DOD in Hamtpon Roads. My question to controllers is what is proper phraeseology for FAST a/c takeoff?

mtlatc Epic Member In a bus down by the river!

???? how bout line up and wait.....

MikeATC Retired FAA, NATCA Member Nashville TN

I believe that you are looking for, "No Delay Cleared For Takeoff", we use to be able to say "Cleared For Immediate Takeoff, Traffic Is."

I have been know to use, when after I gave a No Delay and they appear to be taking their sweet time, "Start your Take Off Now or become a hood ornament to a _______ . Or Start your Take Off Roll now or get off my runway at"

ATC_MacGyver MacGyver with the bears.

i believe he is talking about
Fighter
Attack
Single pilot
Trainer

and it is RCWC

"Runway, Change to Departure, Wind, Clear for takeoff."

if you don't change him to departure on the ground wait until he is at 2500ft.

polo708 Epic Member tower

There is no standard way... Im at an FAA facility with F16s locally assigned. Everyone says it in a different order. I personally say, "Runway, Wind, Cleared for takeoff, change to departure". The .65 doesn't specify a specific order for "change to departure" in a takeoff clearance.

NizmoSR20 The Silver Bullet Ft. Worth, Texas!

Ya with no standard phraseology, all thats required is minimum information for the take-off, order doesn't apply if its all said and correctly.

ATC_MacGyver MacGyver with the bears.

i just prefer not to say much after i clear the guy for takeoff.

polo708 Epic Member tower

but you'd rather tell him to change frequencies and then give a control instruction?

Ramptime Newcomer Florida

As a 27 year USN controller I never gave it a second thought of how to say it other than the way I was taught. There is no example of the entire cleared for takeoff phrase including "Change to Departure" in the .65. So it appears as long as it's said, you can put it anywhere you feel conformable with. The original "A" school teaching gouge is wrong in the sense it doesn’t include P3 (not the UP3 cargo configuration). The C2 greyhound is a "cargo type" yet many folks change it to departure on the ground also. Many tactical USAF Jets fall into this category also, like the E3, but due to a learning gouge at the USN "A" school many controllers never read or understood what the .65 states. The FAST OV10 gouge was to get you through the school and in effect misled an entire generation of controllers from what the .65 actually directs.

2. Inform all departing IFR military turboprop/turbojet aircraft (except transport and cargo types) to change to departure control frequency. If the local controller has departure frequency override, transmit urgent instructions on this frequency. If the override capability does not exist, transmit urgent instructionson the emergency frequency.
PHRASEOLOGY-
CHANGE TO DEPARTURE