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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 02:05 PM

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Then why'd you post it? You drew two unfounded conclusions from details that weren't there.

Man. I did my fair share of making assumptions and talking big when I was an applicant, but I never had the ego to talk s**t to a CPC when I'd never made a control decision in my life. And no, the DYSIM lab doesn't count. What makes you think you have any idea about the situation he's in? Some of the comments made by applicants here lately are unbelievable.

Anyway, moving this question to ATC Chatter so he can get some more feedback from actual controllers.
The same applicants who makes these comments will be working as controllers.
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 02:15 PM

To the OP:

I don't know if it's the same for every facility or region. I'm in the AWP myself. I'm headed from a tower to a TRACON. I jokingly talked about failing on purpose if I didn't like it. I was advised that if I became a training failure, I would be given a list of like 3 (maybe 5) facilities. I would have to choose one of those facilities, or get canned.

I'm not saying quit on purpose, and I know everyone has stated "talk to your NATCA rep", which is probably the safest move. Facilities have very different agreements at the local level between NATCA and management, so it's hard to give you a direct answer.

Being a CPC-IT though, you should have more options and resources available to you.

And to whoever posted about the reason:

The reason is irrelevant. Maybe he just doesn't like it there. The weather isn't good enough, the tower isn't cold enough, or he doesn't like the random weekend warrior that flies through.

He made a decision and realized it wasn't what it was cracked out to be. If he were a trainee, with no quals at all, I'd be singing a different tune. But he's already proved his worthiness to the agency, so there is some value to him.

@Towns2dd - not necessarily. Not everyone makes it. It can be said just the opposite way... "the same applicants who makes these comments will be fired and never able to control". It's generic and doesn't make sense since there are no guarantees. I understand you were speaking in general, but so was the quote above. Arguably, both are true.
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 05:33 PM

Maybe instead of making it private, if it's possible, make it to where only verified controllers can post but everyone can view?
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 08:07 PM

How about an honor code type thing if we wanna take it that far.
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 08:53 PM

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The same applicants who makes these comments will be working as controllers.
Some of the applicants will be working as controllers one day. Until that time, they should keep their mouths shut and take a good look at where they are on the food chain.
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-22-2012, 10:00 PM

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Some of the applicants will be working as controllers one day. Until that time, they should keep their mouths shut and take a good look at where they are on the food chain.
Yeah! And dev's should keep their mouths shut when speaking to CPC's. Am I right?!
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-23-2012, 05:36 PM

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Yeah! And dev's should keep their mouths shut when speaking to CPC's. Am I right?!
Shut your mouth when you're talkin to me...you hear me? ANSWER ME

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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-25-2012, 12:35 AM

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How about an honor code type thing if we wanna take it that far.
Would probably just do that. If it happens. Like Ram says, it's not hard to figure out. And probably would leave it publicly viewable; if you need something private, there's always the NATCA BBS.
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Re: Discontinuing Training
Posted: 02-26-2012, 10:26 AM

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Would probably just do that. If it happens. Like Ram says, it's not hard to figure out. And probably would leave it publicly viewable; if you need something private, there's always the NATCA BBS.
Shh! Do not inform people of our secret lair!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 02-26-2012, 08:11 PM

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Shh! Do not inform people of our secret lair!!!!!!!!!
Did I say BBS? I meant... breakroom.

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