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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-06-2009, 07:10 PM

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You'll generally be paired with one person. My friend trains at a center, and it seems that when he gets a new trainee he has them for quite awhile. Although it may just be through certain stages of checking out, then you move on to someone elses area.

Trainers can(and will) request new trainees. I've heard more than one story about a trainee being passed around because no one wants to deal with that particular person. So if you get a good trainer be on your best behavior!
thanks for the advice. Ill be sure to be a good girl.
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-08-2009, 12:22 AM

Almost all centers are located just outside the metropolitan area they are named after i.e, Jax Center is in Hilliard, FL and ATL Center is in Hampton, GA
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-08-2009, 09:45 AM

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what about n90 in ny? i kinda want to go there but people have been telling me they are a bunch of badasses and you really got to have some balls to even want to work there...


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I don't know if you have read this, it was posted some place on stuckmic a little bit ago. It has some interesting info on NY tower and TRACON controllers.
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-08-2009, 02:54 PM

Let me stress this fact once again: It is not wise for you newbies to be striving for the busy towers or approach controls (N90, C90, ORD, ATL, A80, etc.) because your chances of passing training to certification is at the best slim, and when you fail training you will probably not be offered another lower level facilitiy.

We have controllers with years of experience that go to these facilities and fail training, so unless you're God's gift to controllers, you are extremely likely to not make it. When you fail training it doesn't help our staffing problems, so we really want you guys to have a good opportunity to be successful.

What is strongly recommended is for you to go to a ATC-7 or ATC-8 or lower level facility where you have a good chance of certifying, then once you have some experience bid on the power houses. The plus side of this method is if you do go onto one of the high denisity facilities and don't make it you will in most instances be offered the chance to return to a smaller facility.

For you that are going to the Enroute Centers, your chances are about even if not somewhat better because the Centers training programs have always been set up for those with little to no experience. Even at the Centers you will have to study your butts off, and work hard to certify.

So when you select your facility, select wisely, and I hope to see you become a controller.
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-08-2009, 03:06 PM

MikeATC is dead on. It's very very hard to certify at the big time facilities. Even those with experience will struggle at those places. There are surely some exceptions...VRAs checking out, OTS checking out, CTI checking out, etc.
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-08-2009, 07:37 PM

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^^^ These two are exactly right. ZAU, ZAB, ZNY and ZHU are probably some of the Centers with above average wash out rates due to the functional training. The good thing is that you don't waste your time or the FAA's by testing your radar ability sooner than later like most other Centers. Most Centers with traditional method trainees stay a while because you have to really suck to not certify in a radar associate position(D-side). IMO if a person wash out on a D-side they should find another career field or go to a level 4 or 5. I have heard of an OTS who washed out at Lakefront which I won't bother to comment on. If you wash out of a level 4 or 5 then... well I won't offend anyone..lol
i am definitely hoping for the bet. thank you for the warning everyone
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Posted: 06-09-2009, 08:20 PM

So...I would like to work somewhere in either OH or GA preferably. What would be an easy (relatively) place to start out? I think CMH is ATC-9...DAY or TOL is probably pretty small, right? I have no idea about Terminal or EnRoute
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-17-2009, 07:41 PM

everyone ive spoken with who has been CPC in both options during their career has told me they preferred terminal.
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-20-2009, 08:17 AM

you guys are making me really happy I didn't get offered center. I was terminal that's my shit!
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Re: Terminal Vs. En route
Posted: 06-20-2009, 09:28 AM

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^^^ These two are exactly right. ZAU, ZAB, ZNY and ZHU are probably some of the Centers with above average wash out rates due to the functional training. The good thing is that you don't waste your time or the FAA's by testing your radar ability sooner than later like most other Centers. Most Centers with traditional method trainees stay a while because you have to really suck to not certify in a radar associate position(D-side). IMO if a person wash out on a D-side they should find another career field or go to a level 4 or 5. I have heard of an OTS who washed out at Lakefront which I won't bother to comment on. If you wash out of a level 4 or 5 then... well I won't offend anyone..lol
Are there any FAA level 4's?

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