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Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 06-30-2009, 08:23 PM

Incident: Expressjet E145 and CommutAir DH8B at Cleveland on Jun 26th 2009, runway incursion caused by ATC

I feel bad for the guy (or girl), it would seem like they were probably thrown in over their head too early in their career.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 06-30-2009, 08:35 PM

A lot of the upper level facilities are tired of wasting time with people that won't make it. Quite a few are adopting the sink-or-swim mentality. That said, where the hell was the OJTI during this? Developmentals are going to make mistakes, and it's up to the OJTI to fix it, help the Dev learn from it and move on. This has added unneeded stress and more than likely has created a lot of self doubt.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 06-30-2009, 08:41 PM

feel sorry for the OJTI. their the ones that bought the deal. or maybe OD since separation was not actually lost thanks to the awareness of the ERJ crew.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 06-30-2009, 09:37 PM

developmental is just the word used instead of cpc wich is fully qualified, he/she could have been qualified on gc.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-01-2009, 06:45 AM

thats gotta suck
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-01-2009, 10:28 AM

the daily ato deal report says OJTI with a dev in LC.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-01-2009, 01:01 PM

This kid is new and the incident on the 3rd was pilot error.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-01-2009, 11:44 PM

yeah, i heard about this on the radio here in kuwait. I was wondering the same thing, WHERE THE HELL WAS THE TRAINER?
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-01-2009, 11:48 PM

more importantly, i wonder how many trainers are left that are willing to train this guy.
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Re: Developmental @ CLE causes 2 incursions in a month
Posted: 07-02-2009, 12:32 PM

If their facility is covered under AT-SAP it's no longer a deal!

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