Training Failures - Air Traffic Control - ATC

**mbalunda** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 12:55 PM

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Training failures have always been a concern of our membership, but under todays changing environment, it is even more critical that we provide the best opportunity for new hires to succeed. Article 61 provides procedures for non-probationary developmental controllers who do not successfully complete training. Employees may be given the opportunity for reassignment to a lower level facility if a vacancy exists. Employees will be given a choice of up to five facilities, and en route employees will be sent back to the Academy for terminal training.

This is from the new contract that is being negoiated currently. It seems as though they FAA intends to hold onto trainees longer even if they are less than succesful. Good news for those of us who are being thrown into the fire at Level 12 facilities with no ATC background.

My thought is this though...if they do this, and start sending people back to the Academy I've gotta assume attrition numbers will end up being a lot lower. I know in the past they've tried to move folks to other facilities, but I don't recall seeing that they actually sent you back to the Academy for terminal training.

I wonder if something like this will effect the number of hires in the future. Sounds like they want to avoid getting rid of people who don't succeed right away, which will probably lead to more people actually staying with the Agency.

**TOWER_BOY1** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 01:05 PM

Thats good new for me cause it look like i will be ending up at a level 10 facility...i am freaking out man

**Cirrus12** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mbalunda

This is from the new contract that is being negoiated currently. It seems as though they FAA intends to hold onto trainees longer even if they are less than succesful. Good news for those of us who are being thrown into the fire at Level 12 facilities with no ATC background.

My thought is this though...if they do this, and start sending people back to the Academy I've gotta assume attrition numbers will end up being a lot lower. I know in the past they've tried to move folks to other facilities, but I don't recall seeing that they actually sent you back to the Academy for terminal training.

I wonder if something like this will effect the number of hires in the future. Sounds like they want to avoid getting rid of people who don't succeed right away, which will probably lead to more people actually staying with the Agency.

If you get sent back to the academy, how much do you get paid while there?

**Whirlybird19** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 04:30 PM

I wonder if this is something they are going to offer to EVERYONE who fails or on an individual basis. I mean you have to assume there are people who make it to their facility who will never have what it takes no matter what level facility they are at. But there are probably some who need to start off slow. Either way this will be something interesting to follow.

Where did you get that info from?

**usothrowed** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Whirlybird19

I wonder if this is something they are going to offer to EVERYONE who fails or on an individual basis. I mean you have to assume there are people who make it to their facility who will never have what it takes no matter what level facility they are at. But there are probably some who need to start off slow. Either way this will be something interesting to follow.

Where did you get that info from?

Exactly! JP13 found the keyword in the other post..lol "MAY" I took it to mean that EVERYONE was allowed to transfer without knowing the whole meaning. As far as I'm concerned it's the process that is already happening but not ALL are allowed to drop to a lower facility.

**polo708** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 04:48 PM

Im sure it will be a case by case thing... maybe off the recommendation of the Air Traffic Manager. I seriously doubt all trainees will be given another chance, some are just clearly not cut out for this job and it will show early.

**mbalunda** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Whirlybird19

Where did you get that info from?

There is a whole list of things that have been agreed to in the new contract here: News

Pay is literally the only item left!

**ColtsATC** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mbalunda

There is a whole list of things that have been agreed to in the new contract here: News

Pay is literally the only item left!

There is more than pay left bro.

**Roddy_Piper** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ColtsATC

There is more than pay left bro.

i agree. there is like 86 articles in the current IWR and about 106 in the green book yet only about 30 of them were outlined on that link.

you still need to make it to your 1 year before your training failure. it's a definite upgrade to the current situation of training failures.

woot woot...bring on the shorts and polos.

**Roddy_Piper** · Posted: 06-30-2009, 06:18 PM

thanks for the link mbalunda. i hadn't seen that until now.