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hamchuck wrote[TO: ALL]
Aircraft on a Visual Approach in mountainous terrain sets off the MSAW. MVA is 4000 feet extending to 2 mile final (field elevation is 1400 feet). Question, do you issue MVA, MOCA, or just the usual check your altitude immediately altimeter xx.xx The MVA is way too high for the Visual Approach, and no has told us the MOCA. What do we say Also is there anywhere we can find the MOCA (someplace official we can take to the FAA)

Roddy_Piper wrote[TO: hamchuck]
MVA, MOCA, MIA, and MSAW does not apply to the visual approach. the pilot sees the airport and will proceed visually to it. he obviously needs to descend below these altitudes in order to land at the airport.

in the en route environment i work an airport that has a 12,800 foot MIA, but the field elevation is 5,900. i lose the aircraft on radar well before he lands so i would have already terminated radar service and switched the aircraft to advisory frequency. if there was a tower there i'm not sure what they would use. MIA probably. 2000 feet above the highest obstacle in mountainous terrain.

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