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vfr, NATCA, PATCO, ALPA, ATA, natcaTHREAD:RS's Thread
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RS wrote[TO: atcbrownie]
yeah well in the .65 chapter 7-9 it says that a controller shall not issue a VFR aircraft an altitude below the MVA, MSA...and I'm asking by saying maintain VFR at or below 1500...if the MVA is 1500...is that technically giving the pilot an altitude to maintain below the MVA if he so chooses to stop at any altitude at or below 1500. I don't think the controller would be all to blame, but would the controller share part of the blame

From now on, i think i will just give the aircraft suggested headings in the class bravo or maybe just say turn on course or something, but not assign a hard altitude or heading and I guess that would relieve the controller of any responsibility...though we are still required to seperate VFR aircraft from 19,000lb heavy aircraft or more by 1.5 or 500ft....or green in b/w for anything smaller so sometimes you may need to issue vectors.

rs

Archie_League wrote[TO: RS]
"From now on, i think i will just give the aircraft suggested headings in the class bravo or maybe just say turn on course or something, but not assign a hard altitude or heading"

Hope that works out for you. The reason that we are able to give VFR aircraft hard heading and altitudes is because as you mentioned we are responsible for keeping them separated from other aircraft. I suppose if you are slow (not sure what class B would be this slow other than late at night) then you could get away with suggestions. The problem is when you suggest a heading to Mr. direct and he says "roger" then turns direct to whatever heading he wants and you don’t give him an altitude and he decides to show of his new climb prop. I will just continue to give headings and altitudes till they are clear of the class B...its only a couple of miles then I don't have to baby sit them to see what direction they are actually flying and wonder what altitude they are going to level off at.

If 1500 feet is acceptable to you and you are worried about vectoring below the MVA why don’t you just issue 1500 instead of at or below

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