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vfr, NATCA, PATCO, ALPA, ATA, natcaTHREAD:RS's Thread
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bargaining unit, contracts, contractFROM:Archie_League
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RS wrote: [TO: Archie_League]
that is what i do...tell the aircraft to maintain an altitude at least at or ABOVE the MVA...but most people...when on clearance delivery where the a/c get there VFR clearance say at or below, then mark the strip saying that they just assigned the hard altitude instead of the down arrow beside the altitude indicating they said at or below...so the local controller looks at the strip and sees the aircraft apparently was issued a hard altitude in consistent with the MVA then clears the aircraft for takeoff, issues a vector, the aircraft stops at say 1000, crashes into something...i'm sure the controllers would take some of the heat at some point.

and...would you use the phraseology once the a/c was exiting the bravo...resume appropriate VFR altitudes if you did tell the a/c to maintain 1500...so that they aircraft will know to climb to appropriate VFR altitudes to avoid other obstructions beyond the class bravo...what is the purpose exactly of that phraseology

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Archie_League wrote: [TO: RS]
As far as the CD strip marking, I would say that it is wrong. The .65 specifies how to do it but I'm sure you have a facility directive that specifies how it is to be done locally. If they are saying at or below and marking the strip with a hard altitude and you aren't able to get people to do it correctly then as the local controller I would just specify the altitude to maintain. Then you know you are in the clear.

For the second part, sure...if you assign a VFR aircraft an altitude contrary to the FAR part 91 then you have to tell them to "resume appropriate VFR altitudes".

With that said, FAR 91 says"...each person operating an aircraft under VFR in level cruising flight more than 3,000 feet above the surface shall maintain the appropriate altitude or flight level prescribed below...." A VFR aircraft below 3K is allowed any altitude they wish. If you assign 1500 to an aircraft then you don't have to tell them to resume appropriate VFR altitudes...just the “leaving ____ bravo airspace”, and the rest of the appropriate ending (i.e. “radar services terminated, squawk 1200", etc.)

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