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vfr, NATCA, PATCO, ALPA, ATA, natcaTHREAD:7110.65 Question
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hamchuck wrote: [TO: Roddy_Piper]
"MVA, MOCA, MIA, and MSAW does not apply to the visual approach"...We know that (I am in an FAA VFR Tower), but our idiot FLM says we have to say it to everyone that sets off the MSAW (Visual or IAP). We are trying to find something in the .65 that spells it out. The ICAO definition (of Visual Approach) in the PC/G says pilots maintain visual separation with terrain, but the "real" definition doesn't say squat about it.

Any other ideas

The main reason for the question is that the same idiot FLM used that and some other chicken stuff (missed a few ATIS codes and incorrect call signs) to pull one of our guys' local ticket and put him in ODP.

You heard right folks...no OE, no OD, no prior history of performance problems. The FLM did a "Performance skill check" on the guy (didn't tell him he was doing it) and two weeks later pulls his ticket.

Needless to say we are doing everything we can to help the guy beat this bum wrap, (and save the rest of us from getting caught in the same trap) so any advise will help.

blwfl180 wrote: [TO: hamchuck]
I think the FLM is required to advise the controller that he is performing a skill check before they plug in. If he did not, the skill check is not valid.

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