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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by kindaradley View Post
    Either of the two ZKC guys wash out? I asked today at the center and they said that they heard the both passed, but they weren't 100% sure about it, and they're suppose to report on Monday...
    They both passed just fine

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo89 View Post
    Btw, 3 students failed the enroute pv today as well. Actually one guy just resigned without even taking his last problem because there was no way he could pass. Not a good move to resign before your last day, because you won't get paid for travel back home from the academy!
    He said he got travel pay.

    Overall, the problems on the PV Seemed like the same ones we've heard about for a while now. The first two were straightforward, but that last one was harder in the first few minutes from almost anything we saw in training. You have to be real focused when you go in there.

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by kindaradley View Post
    Either of the two ZKC guys wash out? I asked today at the center and they said that they heard the both passed, but they weren't 100% sure about it, and they're suppose to report on Monday...
    We both passed and will be there bright and early Monday.

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by fknlo View Post
    We both passed and will be there bright and early Monday.
    Nice! See you there! I'm the big guy that sits in the back left cubicle next to the window! Can't wait to meet you, and be ready to make your brain start hurting with all of the maps for Gateway!

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by mbalunda View Post
    but the FAA is pretty big on people not getting extra practice. They don't want anyone who fails to be able to grieve it by saying student XYZ was able to do this extra problem and I wasn't, so I don't think it was fair.
    Yeah, they've really stepped up on that, at least when I was there. Our instructor gave us a sheet of paper with phraseology on it that they make him take back because it wasn't "official" material given to every class.

    But anything shared among students is fair game; they can't stop you from producing your own study material on your own time. Or stuff you find on StuckMic, for that matter. Maybe we'll make some non-radar scenarios for download... hmm.

    It sucks, but once you hit radar, the only time you get is the time you're on position. No way to increase it or get around it. I guess the best thing to do is just make the most of the time -- be well rested and focused, and write down everything the instructor tells you afterwards.
    Pan pan?

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosstafari View Post

    It sucks, but once you hit radar, the only time you get is the time you're on position. No way to increase it or get around it. I guess the best thing to do is just make the most of the time -- be well rested and focused, and write down everything the instructor tells you afterwards.
    Ditto to that. For me, I got a little pocket sized notepad and wrote down what I got wrong after every problem. I went home, reviewed the notes, and continued on. It worked pretty well.

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosstafari View Post

    It sucks, but once you hit radar, the only time you get is the time you're on position. No way to increase it or get around it.
    I was more than OK with this. Getting to a point where I didn't feel bad for not going home and hitting the books because there wasn't really anything I could do outside the lab was nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by kindaradley
    Nice! See you there! I'm the big guy that sits in the back left cubicle next to the window! Can't wait to meet you, and be ready to make your brain start hurting with all of the maps for Gateway!
    Pretty sure I'm going to Ozark, so you'd be wasting your time with maps for Gateway.

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by fknlo View Post
    Pretty sure I'm going to Ozark, so you'd be wasting your time with maps for Gateway.
    Care to put a wager on that?

    Someone tell you you were going to OZ?

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by kindaradley View Post
    Care to put a wager on that?

    Someone tell you you were going to OZ?
    My friends that are in Ozark told me I'd be going there months ago. Maybe the other guy is going to Gateway? Or, they lied to me.

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    Re: 3 Failed the En Route PV today

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo89 View Post
    FYI- my class is going to be the first class under the new enroute sop's. Kinda excited about that. My instructor informed me that now, while working radar, some of the stuff we do will actually relate to the real world enroute environment. Ie: climbing a guy off gwo to 3000 or 4000 instead of the highest possible altitude he can get. Pretty excited to get started on radar. Non radar pv is on Tuesday. Yippee
    It is about time they finally updated their rules to reflect the real world. I may give a jet departure 5,000 off the ground, but that's about it. Lab problems are carefully scripted so generally there's no issue in giving a departure 9,000 off the ground, but in the RW stuff is changing all the time and giving away that much airspace can be a real liability or put you in a jam elsewhere. That's one of the first things you're told to forget when you start training at your facility, just release the aircraft to a safe altitude, then let the r-side worry about climbing them higher.

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