3 Failed the En Route PV today

barty Trusted Member

It is about time they finally updated their rules to reflect the real world. I may give a jet departure 5,000 off the ground, but that's about it. Lab problems are carefully scripted so generally there's no issue in giving a departure 9,000 off the ground, but in the RW stuff is changing all the time and giving away that much airspace can be a real liability or put you in a jam elsewhere. That's one of the first things you're told to forget when you start training at your facility, just release the aircraft to a safe altitude, then let the r-side worry about climbing them higher.

sajgracer1 Senior Member California

Reading this thread is driving me bonkers. I don't even have a class date yet. I have a lot of pilot experience and I was always the best when running sims at CTI school, but all this talk is really scaring me. Am I going to study my butt off, know every map like the back of my hand, and on the last day at OKC make a little mistake that a subjective instuctor doesn't like? And then poof, my career is over in an instant?

jtomes Senior Member Memphis TN

well you already sound full of yourself. you can forget the fact that you were the "Best" at your simulators cause that'll get you no where at the academy. Being a pilot... congrats you might know how to talk on a radio even then it doesn't matter. no it doesn't work that way it isn't completely subjective as you so dramatically describe. but I guarantee if you walk in to the academy with your attitude your shooting yourself in the foot and making it 100 times harder on yourself. If you can't hack it they aren't going to hand the job to you because they feel bad.

sajgracer1 Senior Member California

Wow dude, you have really misjudged me. I didn't think I sounded full of myself. As a matter of fact this is all new to me. I know the sims I ran at school are like playing PAC-MAN compared to what happens at OKC.
Take it easy, "I am not your enemy". Lol. I was just really trying to get some honest feedback. I will be the guy in the class who keeps quite, studies hard, mentions nothing about any credentials I have, and I'm going to do what my trainers told me. Anybody on here (who doesn't have a stick shoved up there like jtomes) who would like to make a more sophisticated comment?

spades What's happening?

The bottom line is that it is what it is. Yeah, evals will get your blood pumping. You can still manage it, though. You can't change anything. You can only accept it for what it is. It is scary and it doesn't get any less scary once you get to your facility. There are 50,000,000 ways to be fired...get used to it.

deltabravo89 Senior Analyst

3 seems to be the number. Another 3 failed yesterday. My class is the next one to pv(jan4). Loving radar so far. First class under this new sop. Apparently supposed to be a great change, and not so many ridiculous academy rules. More real world situation rules.

kindaradley Rookie Middle of nowhere

What changes did they make? I'm curious how different it was from when I was there...

mjh55404 Senior Analyst OKC

So only 3 failed? I just heard that 5 failed and all were headed to ZOA.

Anyone want to confirm this ?

Rosstafari Daaaang. /X

Well... yeah. Sort of.

It's not all that subjective. There's some room for judgment, but the idea is that it's as standardized as possible. I mean, if you issue an order that takes two separated planes into a state that breaks it, then you'll get marked down for that. That's pretty black and white. Judgment calls aren't going to be what makes or breaks anybody.

sajgracer1 Senior Member California

Thanks Ross, this makes me feel better. I'm quite a ways off from the academy I anyway, everything might change by then. :-S

For enroute, the commands you give to a/c are based on voice recognition right? That's what it sounded like when I read someone talking about the tower sim.