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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    "IF" this is true, it'll only hurt the many CTI's out there who are putting themselves through school, moving to school, and taking out high interest loans when someone else fresh out of high school can just boot up they're computer and apply, get selected the next year and start at a facility in no time, all without never knowing what a "cti" is. All because they applied in a state like north dakota where no cti applied and the need for personnel was high. Grant it, OTS are not all high school grads looking for a career, some have college experience and careers.

    However, my point is either the CTI or OTS should be abolished, there is no need for both.

    But hey what do I know, I'm just an applicant.
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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    I really hope this is true. I controlled in the military but didn't get the stupid 52 weeks of experience crap and now I am in CTI school and it sucks. I already learned this stuff in the military. If it is true do we have to take the ATSAT before we can apply to the FAA OTS announcement?

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    Yay, taking people less qualified in the name of diversity.

    "He may be a crappy controller but god damned if he doesn't make us more diverse"
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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    we just need more "urban" cti schools...

    and military ATC is plenty diverse...

    insert the 900 racially sensitive comments in my head that people would not take as jokes

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    interesting. I dont think a pub nat is a good idead especially with the est amount of cti students, but thats just my 2 cents

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    we just need more "urban" cti schools...

    and military ATC is plenty diverse...
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    I think that's the right approach, but substitute "Historically Black Colleges" for "urban". Sounds like a natural fit for Tuskegee University.

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by SCOPED View Post
    I think OTS people add good diversity regarding background and hope they only choose the ones with a BA or better.
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    What does a BA have to do with the aptitude to do this job?

    I remember that one of the OTS qualifications was work experience in aviation like a dispatcher certificate or pilot license. Then once taking the ATSAT they decide who really has the aptitude.

    I really wonder how well the candidate with experience does compared to one with a BA who gets hired at 23 or 24.

    Feedback from a family member in another facility is that both CTI and VRA hires often show up lacking the experience in the workplace to succeed.

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronavtr View Post
    "IF" this is true, it'll only hurt the many CTI's out there who are putting themselves through school, moving to school, and taking out high interest loans when someone else fresh out of high school can just boot up they're computer and apply, get selected the next year and start at a facility in no time, all without never knowing what a "cti" is. All because they applied in a state like north dakota where no cti applied and the need for personnel was high. Grant it, OTS are not all high school grads looking for a career, some have college experience and careers.

    However, my point is either the CTI or OTS should be abolished, there is no need for both.

    But hey what do I know, I'm just an applicant.
    PUBNAT's require you have 3 years full-time work experience, four years of college, or a combination of both. No one fresh out of high school would meet that.

    If they do open up another OTS bid just apply to it yourself. I know plenty of CTI students/graduates that were picked up OTS. Could be a blessing in disguise if it happens.

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    If they do open up another OTS bid just apply to it yourself. I know plenty of CTI students/graduates that were picked up OTS. .
    one in my class....he even got to go through basics because he was OTS...nice refresher.

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    Re: Off The Street Hiring to Return in FY2012?

    I believe It's a legal issue, called fair pracitces. It may not be what they want, but if they hire a few OTS they can avoid some potential legal issues. CYA!!

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