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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 11-29-2010, 02:44 PM i also found out im heading to ZNY.... pretty excited about that. live on long island an was really lucky to get picked up first panel i applied too.. i know of 3 other friends of mine that got picked up there too..How long after you arrive do you find out what area you are in? and on average how long is the classroom training before you are on the floor training? any info regarding new hires at ZNY would be great.
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 01-14-2011, 03:55 PM You will find out what are you are assigned to usually on the first or second day since they are planning your arrival to have all your books ready on your first day. First couple of days will have a lot of meet and greets with different staff, managers, union officials, etc. As to training:
-ZNY stage II training when you first arrive is 4-6 weeks depending on the class size and how quickly you get everything done. You need to do all their map tests, identifier tests, etc....... -Usually afterwards you certify on the A position in your area which doesnt take long usually since this position isn't really used as in the past with the URET. -Once you finish that you'll sit on the floor working the A's and monitoring until you get a Radar School or ATOP/Ocean 21 School(Ocean Areas Only). -ATOP/Ocean 21 School lasts about 3-6 months depending on class size. -Radar "H" School (Which now is split like other centers) is 3 weeks classroom and about 2.5 months in the DYSIM lab. After you finish either school you will certify on your Ocean sectors or H positions in the entire area before being slotted to return to Radar "R" School. "R" School is about 3 Weeks classroom with another 2.5 months in the DYSIM lab. Afterwards you will certify on all your R positions and reach CPC. Ocean Area trainees (Areas E and F) have to go to all three schools since these two areas have both radar and ATOP/Ocean 21 Nonradar sectors within them. Domestic Side Trainees only need the H and R schools. Remember the times can change based on the class size for each school. As well, the wait time and availability of classes and OJT depends the and progression of other trainees in your area. If there are lots of trainees in your area, the senior trainees have "First dibs" on any OJT or class they are waiting for before you would get it. Hope this gives you a rough estimate and answers your question. |
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 02-10-2011, 09:58 PM NY Air Traffic Out of Control: Whistleblower - NYPOST.com
New York air-traffic controllers endanger passengers by working just three hours per shift and acting like slackers -- chatting, texting and even watching movies when they should be monitoring planes, The Post has learned. At times, so few are at their posts that a single controller must do the job of two or three and track 15 aircraft simultaneously, which is too many, according to allegations filed by a supervisor. Evan Seeley, a frontline manager at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center in Ronkonkoma, LI, fired off complaints last month to the Federal Aviation Administration and the Office of Special Counsel, a federal agency that probes whistleblower claims. The Post obtained copies. CLICK HERE TO SEE HOW A COLLISION ALMOST OCCURRED Seeley raised his concerns on Jan. 17, three days before controllers allowed an American Airlines jet to nearly collide with two military cargo planes over the Atlantic. The Boeing 777 passenger plane came within 200 vertical feet and 2,000 lateral feet of the behemoth carriers -- a distance described as "dangerously close" by an airline-safety insider -- in an incident not revealed to the public until Friday, after The Post asked about it. The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating. Sources familiar with the probe point to careless communication between controllers in giving instructions to the American fight, which was put on a crash course with the military planes. The error has been classified as a "Category A" error, the most serious type of near-miss. Seeley's OSC filings allege that union controllers operate with little oversight at the center, which coordinates high-altitude flights through the Northeast, including from JFK, La Guardia and Newark airports, and is best known for having handled the hijacked 9/11 planes. Instead of focusing on their monitors, some of the barely supervised controllers socialize, gaze at photos on their phones and sit with their feet up on desks, claims Seeley, 26. A few play movies or solitaire on their laptops, despite FAA rules banning electronic devices. On-duty controllers also are allowed to disappear for breaks that can last more than an hour, the whistleblower alleges, and workers pressured him to "close positions" -- or shut down posts -- so they could lollygag. "Closing positions could potentially create dangerous air-traffic situations where one controller was working too many aircraft," Seeley's OSC complaint states. "Most controllers were working just three hours out of an eight-hour shift." Diligent controllers typically put in two hours at a time and take 20-minute breaks and 35 minutes for meals -- spending 6½ hours on duty each shift, said veterans of the job. Three traffic-control staffers told The Post that Seeley's claims were accurate. "It's the tip of the iceberg," said one. Asked about his complaints, Seeley issued a written statement: "Once OSC completes its investigation, New York Center will be forced to address serious issues that have gone unchecked for some time. A pattern of ignoring rules and policy creates a dangerous standard." The charges come after an embarrassing air-traffic flub last year, when JFK controller Glenn Duffy let his kids give instructions to pilots, and a deadly mistake in 2009, when Teterboro's Carl Turner joked on the phone with his girlfriend as a small plane slammed into a tourist helicopter, killing nine. Seeley, a five-year veteran who came to New York from Fort Worth last February, tried to reform the culture -- and was met with resistance, then retaliation, his complaints say. In January, after getting a glowing year-end performance review, Seeley was abruptly demoted -- payback, he says, for trying to change the system. ‘This is gonna be close’ The near-miss between the planes began when one Long Island air-traffic controller failed to hear instructions asking him to stop the passenger plane at 20,000 feet, according to sources familiar with a probe of the incident. The transcript: AA controller: “What did you want with that American?” C-17 controller: “I wanted you to stop him at 20. Stop him at 21.” The C-17 controller tells his own radar man to stop the military planes at 22,000 feet — but the AA controller thinks the direction is for him, and orders Flight 951 to that altitude, putting the planes on a crash course. C-17 controller: “I said stop the American at 21!” Automatic alarm inside the AA cockpit: “DESCEND, DESCEND, DESCEND!” AA pilot: “OK, we’re following a descent.” AA controller: “Do you have that traffic in sight?!” AA pilot: “No, we do not!” C-17 pilot: “This is gonna be close.” AA pilot: “That was not good.” brad.hamilton@nypost.com |
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 03-04-2011, 12:10 PM Quote:
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 03-04-2011, 01:18 PM Don't talk shit until you are hired.
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 03-04-2011, 04:32 PM
I hear ya, but ur taking the word of the spin docs who a, reported, and b, were the reporters. I don't trust the word of a 26yr old wonder sup/traffic dodger who then tattles after he's fired.
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
Posted: 03-11-2011, 04:21 PM Let me say this folks...... Don't start talking shit especially based off the medias report of things. What the media reported is nowhere near what actually happened and I have seen the live playback of the real tapes. The report that this "whistleblower" made and that incident have nothing to do with one another and all he was doing was trying to get his job back in a last ditch effort because he couldn't do it........ And regardless you shouldn't be ripping into controllers until you have worked traffic yourself and can do it.
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Re: New York Center - ZNY
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