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    Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Here is the situation:

    At C90 all of the departures are cleared to their destination via radar vectors to the first fix. To the east and south, we have RNAV fixes that the aircraft are sent direct to before being shipped to the center and after we are done vectoring for spacing, past the arrivals, weather, etc... My question is are you supposed to say Proceed direct (fix) or Cleared direct (fix) or is there no difference. I have heard both used, but that doesn't mean it is technically right. I try to use Proceed direct (fix), as that was how I was trained. I think that for the most part using either one is not confusing to the pilots, but are you technically changing the clearance limit of the aircraft by saying cleared direct? Thanks for the help.
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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    I say proceed because like you stated saying cleared to a fix changes the clearance limit. But this is just my opinion.

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Cleared direct means they have a new clearance from their present position direct to the next fix. Proceed direct means basically the same thing.

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    "cleared direct (fix)" is different than "cleared to (fix)". cleared to changes the clearance limit, not cleared direct.

    that being said we have a similar situation in vegas. i personally say "proceed direct (fix)" only because as a center puke i said cleared direct. i didn't wanna continue that trend in the tracon.

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    .65, 4-2-5. ROUTE OR ALTITUDE AMENDMENTS

    a. Amend route of flight in a previously issued clearance by one of the following:

    3. Issue a clearance "direct" to a point on the previously issued route.

    PHRASEOLOGY -
    CLEARED DIRECT (fix).

    Pages 4-8-3, 5-6-2, and 5-9-4, also have examples that use "cleared direct"

    HOWEVER,

    Pages 4-5-6 and 4-8-2 have examples that use "Proceed direct".

    There is also some associated phraseology on page 5-6-2 and 2-6-3.

    So, as you can see, there really is no difference. Even the .65 flip flops between the two. I started this post getting explanatory, but eventually figured out that you can look it up just as easily.

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    1 extra syllable in "proceed." Cleared direct.

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Quote Originally Posted by DairyCreamer View Post
    1 extra syllable in "proceed." Cleared direct.
    says the center guy

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Thanks everyone.
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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Quote Originally Posted by Roddy_Piper View Post
    says the center guy
    Does the .65 differentiate b/w center or terminal for this particular instance? I think not.

    In any case, I personally try and use the word "proceed" for VFRs and "cleared" for IFR aircraft to avoid a possible misinterpretation by a VFR pilot that he's been given an explicit ATC clearance for something. If I do tell a VFR guy "cleared," I usually follow up with "maintain VFR."

    I just think cleared is a more precise word. Proceed sounds so... I don't know, fluffy? Prim and proper?

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    Re: Proceed direct Vs. Cleared direct

    Quote Originally Posted by DairyCreamer View Post
    Does the .65 differentiate b/w center or terminal for this particular instance? I think not.
    that was my point. when i worked the center i said "cleared direct" cuz everyone else did. now that i'm in a tracon, i say "proceed direct" for whatever reason. hence...the .65 does not differentiate a difference b/w center or terminal or does not differentiate one as right and the other as wrong.

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