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    Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    A question that's been bugging me for two decades.

    Once on a tower visit I heard a controller griping about a pilot who got his panties in a wad and stopped responding to the controller because the controller kept calling his "Archer" a "Cherokee." [Yes, I get that all Archers, Warriers, Dakotas, etc. are all type certificated Cherokees, that's not the point.]

    My question is, is there an approved list of what callsigns are used for each make and model of aircraft somewhere? If not, who decides what call sign an aircraft should use?

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    it's in the back of the .65

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    You scared me there for a minute that I was probably just some dufus who didn't bother to check the back of .65, but I have already looked there. I'm not asking about the Type Designators, I'm referring to the verbal radio callsigns for GA aircraft.

    I haven't found any official specific guidance on this other than using the generic make or model of aircraft. So, in the example above, is it just a personality conflict between pilot and controller?

    Who has the final say on what manufacturer or model callsign is used?

    Let's say for an extreme example that I'm flying a C172 and decide that today I'm going to use "Skyhawk 1234 Alpha Bravo" as a callsign which would obviously tick-off every controller in the US who would by custom, tradition, and force-of-habit say "Cessna 1234 Alpha-Bravo" despite Skyhawk meeting the legal requirement. Is this just a case of do what everybody else does?

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Go with what the pilot is calling himself. If you can't do that for some reason use November for GA.

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Call the pilot what he calls himself and/or use November. Not sure where you were going with this but I, and others I work with, use Skyhawk several times a day. Don't let a DB pilot impel you to change what is right.

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Cherokee-archer-Dakota- arrow -warrior thing you were talking about usually just upsets the pilots cause he paid extra for retractable gear or 10 extra horse power so they want to be called what they paid extra for

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by WatchThis View Post
    Call the pilot what he calls himself and/or use November. Not sure where you were going with this but I, and others I work with, use Skyhawk several times a day. Don't let a DB pilot impel you to change what is right.
    I just always wondered who was right in that argument. Obviously, the pilot was a jerk for throwing a tantrum and ignoring the controller, but I wasn't sure if there was a concrete answer to the conflict.

    Thanks for the responses.

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikefsfr View Post
    Cherokee-archer-Dakota- arrow -warrior thing you were talking about usually just upsets the pilots cause he paid extra for retractable gear or 10 extra horse power so they want to be called what they paid extra for
    Nah he was pissed at his shitty climb rate

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    Piper pilots are really the pickiest in this situation. Sorry, a PA32 can be 8 different things. If I have twenty planes on freq, maybe I won't always remember what they called themselves. I've started to just use "piper" or "November" for all piper aircraft just to avoid their on frequency prima donna bitching.

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    Re: Manufacturer/Model callsigns?

    And only in a PA44 do you need to add 80lbs of ballast to the baggage area to keep in CG with 2 regularly-sized adults in the front.

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