Credit hours

D21atcs Newcomer Livonia MI

Maybe this has beem discussed already and I don't see it. Our rep is under the thought that credit hours will disappear as soon as we start the new contract. I'm sure that some places may have abused it but I hate to see it go. With staffing short it was often the only way to get a day off, if it is handled right it could be a win/win situation.

SnowAviation Senior Member Escondido, CA

My understanding is unless there is a change in current law then Credit Time is over effective Oct 1st, nothing to do with the contract but a court ruling that it violates a FSLA statute.

papag Junior Member

Where have you been? If your so concerned about your working conditions then step up and get involved. If this was the first you have heard of the issue then you have your head in the sand.

towerflower Junior Member Palm Coast, FL

SnowAviation is correct, it had to do with a FLSA ruling that any hours worked past 40 requires OT and the ability to work credit hours violated it. It had nothing to do with the IWRs and it had nothing to do with the new contract. We were going to lose them regardless and wonder why the FAA has waited 3 years to do anything about it. By waiting to do it on Oct. 1 it gives the appearance that it was lost in negotiations.

donzoh1 Newcomer

Lots of leave opportunities can be created with RDO swaps, depending on your staffing situation. It is true that credit hours helps short staffed facilities. The other thing that helps short staffed facilities is sick leave. After enough OT is paid, short staffed facilities are usually provided with new people.

D21atcs Newcomer Livonia MI

OK some of you people may need to learn how to read. I DIDN'T say the contract out lawed credit hours I said they would go awway when the new contract starts, I realized it was a legal ruling brought on by a NATCA lawsuit. My head isn't in the sand although yours may be up your a--. I've been in the agency for 25 years, original gold card member who quit NATCA when they quit keeping there word and changing rules again and again. It's tough to swap RDO's when you work 6 day weeks like we have for the last 2 years at D21, I have Thursday off this week, like I will for the next 5 weeks and the prior 4 weeks, Putting people off the street or out of school that have never worked real traffic results in a 2 to 3 year training process with a good 50 percent not making it in the end. What the posting says is if someone changed the law or realized how to manage it, credit hours could be a win/win situation. Nobody at D21 was forced to work credit hours, it was all voluntary and lot's of people used it to either help another person get a day off or build up a couple of days of leave on the books. Not everyone calls in sick when you know there is NODODY either available or willing to answer a phone to work O/T and it will screw your fellow workers by causing them to work short.

towerflower Junior Member Palm Coast, FL

Why so hostile? You need to go back and read your orginal post where you say "Our rep is under the thought that credit hours will disappear as soon as we start the new contract." If you knew about the court ruling why talk about a rep who thinks they will go away? You gave the impression that you didn't know. I said that it gives the appearance that it was lost in negotiations, because of the start date coincides with the start of the new contract. No one accused you of stating that the contract outlawed it. What your rep may or may not have told you is that there is a clause that leaves the door open for renegotiation if/when the law changes.

I do agree that credit hours helped many to get a day off that they would not have gotten any other way and since the start of the IWRs the only ones who abused it was management.

I think you should re-check where your head is.............

Mrdinghy Rookie

D21atcs,
I agree with you that towerflower has his head up his a_ _ ! He is the one defensive and thinks you were insinuating that you were making your rep look bad. I did not read into that. I think towerflower has been drinking too much NATCA koolaid !

towerflower Junior Member Palm Coast, FL

dinghy,

Where do you get this crap? I never insinuated that he was making his rep look bad. He mentioned that his rep was under the impression that credit hours were going away---which gives the impression that he never heard about it or that his rep may be wrong. But in his rant he states that he knew all about the court ruling. So if he knew about the ruling he should have known that credit hours were violating current laws and would cease. He is the one who mentioned the rep, I only said if he knew why mention the rep--how is that saying you are making the rep look bad. He then took my comment about the contract wrong.

Hey, I get it.....you don't like NATCA but your hatred has also blinded you. Maybe you should check where your head is.

D21atcs Newcomer Livonia MI

What I said is" credit hours will disappear when the new contract starts", such as if ratified then Oct 1, if not ratified would it still be Oct 1. Many of you weren't working when we first were allowed to work credit hours. Those of you who only earn 4 hours per pay period will really miss it. Take 2 weekends off a year and half your vacation will be gone. It was (is) a good thing for most people and it is too bad that some facilities and individuals abused the program and wrecked it for everyone else.