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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    Quote Originally Posted by pargarrett View Post
    With my experience

    so far I just finished ATC School for the National Guard and unlike the Guard say you cannot get a FAA job right out of training.

    I spoke with ladies from the FAA and I will have to go through the FAA process as a newbie.

    So if you are looking to get a career in ATC don?t go to the army to do it.

    Just contact the FAA on faa.gov and you will have to wait till a public announcement. The next one I was told is in July 2009, and the process takes a year then off to OKC to go back to school.

    So the army training was a west of time for me and now I have a comment to show up each and every month and be deployed when every it want me to.

    Make the best decision but you can get education anywhere.
    Also don?t do it for the educational benefits. I have had the biggest pain in the rear. and 4 months later I still have not received my GI Bill monies and Kicker. And once you are out of active status all benefits are out the window. So think before you sign.

    Also you do have 90 days once you finish basic to get out on unable to adjust to military life.

    and about deployment if you dont want to go to war dont join because regardless of what your recurter said just about everyone will be deployed very soon. 90 percent of my classmates are deployed and it has only been 8 months since traning.

    Good luck
    Sooooooooooo..................... You dont get any type of Veterans points when the next Public announcement comes out? Sooooo.... you dont get rated like you would in the Air National Guard? Soooooooo....... your time in AIT training does not count towards time with ATC controlling experience? ....
    Damn man, now I so aint going into the reserves dude, I was hoping if I did well enough that I could be stationed at Fort Rucker and get experience, you squashed the dream Next Pub Im doing OTS Does anybody body know if an Associates degree with and extra semester or two and like a year of work experience is enough to be acceptable?
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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    I'm in Iraq right now and all the Army ATC guys do is GCA. The FAA doesn't count that as ATC experience. In the Air National Guard/Air Force, it's actual Tower/Rapcon (Radar Approach Control) you work. The ANG pays you for basic, tech school, and a year of follow on training and you get an actual certification.

    Here's the catch with ANG. Your initial facility cert doesn't really count as controlling experience. This just starting happening, because 4 guys I trained with all got picked up by the FAA as VRA only holding that cert. Now they are saying you have to deploy. But a 3 month deployment counts and you can apply for VRA while you are deployed. Another guy I trained with is doing that next month. He is coming here where i'm at now.

    I'm partial to the Air Force and I recommend it to anyone wanting to do ATC. Better lifestyle, shorter deployments, and you are ATC first. Not infantry.

    Oh, and being ANG now, I pick when I want to deploy

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    Quote Originally Posted by ColtsATC View Post
    I'm in Iraq right now and all the Army ATC guys do is GCA. The FAA doesn't count that as ATC experience. In the Air National Guard/Air Force, it's actual Tower/Rapcon (Radar Approach Control) you work. The ANG pays you for basic, tech school, and a year of follow on training and you get an actual certification.

    Here's the catch with ANG. Your initial facility cert doesn't really count as controlling experience. This just starting happening, because 4 guys I trained with all got picked up by the FAA as VRA only holding that cert. Now they are saying you have to deploy. But a 3 month deployment counts and you can apply for VRA while you are deployed. Another guy I trained with is doing that next month. He is coming here where i'm at now.

    I'm partial to the Air Force and I recommend it to anyone wanting to do ATC. Better lifestyle, shorter deployments, and you are ATC first. Not infantry.

    Oh, and being ANG now, I pick when I want to deploy
    Wow... Such harsh words from Army ATCers...

    I won't be the first in line to suggest that anyone sign up for the Army "because its fun." It was five years of my life that I will never get back. But with that said, here I am right now in Oklahoma City training to work in the Central Florida TRACON. My appointment is an OTS appointment, but I was also hired for a VRA postion at ZNY. Know what they used to count towards the VRA qualifications? My Army GCA experience.

    The key to a VRA appointment is the "consecutive ATC experience" more so than RAPCON or ARAC or what not. I mean, if they have tons of selectees to choose from then you might be on the bottom of the list with Army GCA or Tac Tower experience (if you don't get a CTO). But frankly speaking, as an Army ATC you WILL deploy. Eventually. Take that experience from a deployment and apply it directly to VRA experience. And you WILL get vet preference, too. Which might very well be why I got the phone call three months after I applied, versus a year and a half of waiting on OTS...

    But hey, I'll also suggest OTS appointments, too. The classroom instruction is at least a little useful. The only difference between VRA and OTS is the pay rate while in training. And the legnth of training.

    And Air Force training does not make you a better controller. If you are a doofus who controls fixed wing aircraft, you're still a doofus. And a doofus will not pass ANY type of ATC school. Air Force, Army, or otherwise.
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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    I wouldn't say all the Army ATC does in Iraq is GCA. They also work VFR towers and flight following. Might not be the best thing to put on your FAA resume, but that's why you have to make the army work for you....

    I started in a GCA in Germany working with handoffs from Frankfurt Intl. Fixed wing props and jets, and rotary wing.

    Came back to the states, got to Rucker, got a basefield rating at Lowe Heliport, and now I'm tasked out to the South Alabam Regional Airport where I'm running the tower as facility chief.

    That's right, a regional airport while still on active duty (albeit in my last year).

    I can see how people could be bummed out about getting stuck in a flight following facility, or stuck being a Tac Dog, but there are ways to get where you want to be. A solid tower rating will go a long way to getting you a job in ATC outside of the Army, so just keep filling out 4187's, renelist for 2 years when you have 1 year and 364 days left in the army and get the tower you want in your contract. There are a myriad of ways to make the army work for you. I suggest you get to it.

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    in response to the FIRST POST:

    If your son is a bright kid as you say, just not quite focused... the Military should be good for him in general. IMO Nothing grows you up from some time in the sandbox, and thats experiance talking.

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

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    If your son is a bright kid as you say, just not quite focused... the Military should be good for him in general. IMO Nothing grows you up from some time in the sandbox, and thats experiance talking.
    Amen. I was 19 and sitting 29 miles from Iraq right before we invaded.

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    I currently work for a DoD Army facilty as a civilian. I was a soldier here as well. The problem with Army ATC as far as getting out and getting a job somewhere is they have moved completely away from garrison environment and put all controllers into Tactical units. Like others have said, the rating you get in the Tact units are pretty much worthless. You won't get a CTO. I was very lucky when I got mine. We hade about 30 soldiers here and by the time I was getting out of the Army there were 3 left and now they are all gone as well. You will be able to use the veterans preferance and can get on with the FAA through a VRA announcement, so not all is lost. As far as getting a job at a DoD facility or a contract facility for that matter without a CTO at least is gonna be hard.

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    Careful about the VRA announcement thing. If the applicant doesn't have approved experience per the FAA (CTO or facility rating) then they might get rejected on the VRA application. Still true however, that they will get veteran's preference but may have to apply on the Pubnat as an off the street (OTS). If in doubt apply to all, (CTO/VRA/Pubnat). The Re-Inst app is not for prior military.
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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    Like most have said, if your son's intention is to work in ATC after leaving the military he should NOT join the Army. Any of the other services (excluding the CG) will allow him to get a CTO or radar rating that the FAA, contract towers and DoD facilities require.

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    Re: Army Training for ATC

    I agree 100%, I have heard of managers saying directly that they would not hire any more army atc'ers and I have never heard any other branches in that kind of a statement. The training is not setup for the outside world, there maybe a couple of approach control's but I guarantee the stateside ones are mostly ran by civilian controllers. And the army has very little fixed wing a/c and mostly helos, so unless your planning on working at a heloport if theyre are any then it would be a mucher wiser choice to join the af, navy, or usmc

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