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68dart wrote[TO: lasrn]
I've been doing it for 12 years. I love the job. The FAA has got to be one of the worst employers in the nation. They have no regard for their employees at all. They view the emplyoees as simply "human capital", to be used as they see fit. The life of an air traffic controller is full of sacrifice. We sacrifice regular work schedules for rotating shifts which are scientifically proven to shorten our lifespans. We give up birthdays, weddings, holidays, soccer and baseball games, graduations and even funerals. We do it because we love the job. We used to be well compensated for the work and sacrifice. Those days were brought to an end. The FAA's claimed wages are a dirty trick. It would take a lot of explaination to show why , but trust me, what the FAA is doing is lying to prospective employees. I hope something turns the ship around, but for now I'd call it a bad investment to take on a CTI degree at this point in time. That's why I suggested your son just apply directly and take a job when offered. His chances really aren't improved by having a CTI degree.

seaoh wrote[TO: 68dart]
...The FAA isn't the worst, they just try the hardest to be.

(http://bestplacestowork.org/BPTW/rankings/index.php?t=scores_subcomponent&c=index)

See, we're sitting at 204 out of 222 (1 being the highest, 222 the lowest), beating out and, sadly, being beaten by a few Federal jobs posting no, or limited, data. Sweet I mean how bad is it that a job with a fat "N/A" or "No Data" is beating us

Lasrn, the answer is "No". If your son goes to school for ATC, not only is it a complete waste of money, its a horrid investment. If he wants to do the job so badly and wants secondary education, hire direct and go to school while hes in upgrade training for a separate career field. Its generally not smart to place all your eggs in one basket, and most of us new guys who were prior military or college grads feel that pain. Luckily, the military afforded us the opportunity to sign up for the Montgomery GI Bill, and I know a good handful of new guys waiting to use it so that we're not obligated, or stuck, in this current quagmire. Even so, as 68dart said, "Historically, it's about a 50% failure rate no matter which avenue a person takes." Its not a matter of his intelligence, so we're not trying to take inappropriate slaps in your direction; its a matter of many factors, including a good bit that are 100% out of his control.

The 204 of 222 quib was just a sarcastic joke. If you take a look at it though, note the scores. ATC scores highest in matching employees to the job tasking and in teamwork. The rest range below, most well below, the 60 mark. I'm sure if that list was current, the scores would even be far lower.

If you want a look at the true FAA, watch the array of videos that ZDC (stuckmic) has on youtube.com. Watch our master and commander, ie Bobby Sturgell, wiggle like a greased hog at last weeks Senate confirmation hearing. This here is just a forum with a gaggle of mostly controllers. You really can't argue with C-SPAN coverage of the hearings.

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