Failing the PV

Adam Unregistered

turn left 160 would probably have put him in the face of the aircraft on a left base....

lol...who knows.

Max Power Senior Member

its 28's and a crossing 16, the "160" guy was on the go, he would of probably just paralleled 16 midfield. When the sim says its going around it makes the call over the numbers.

atcNinja Rookie West-Central Indiana

May I for a few?

Why not just tell the missed to "climb to vfr pattern altitude, and extend your upwind for departing traffic
on rwy 16, I'll call your crosswind, squawk VFR." Tell the 1st one waiting for rwy 16 to expect departure
without delay, TIPH (if not already on the numbers and not an intersected/shared threshold).

Confirm IFR departure release for and launch the 1st rwy 16 a/c, make the on-the-go call, then give apc a
heads-up for potential spill out traffic from the class D into class c to the west @ f/w pattern
altitude, will be changing squawk from IFR to 1-2-0-0 momentarily. Once a/c departing 16 crosses
intersection, 28L/R is clear and ready for landing both left base for 28L and (by this time) short final
28R. Make the base follow the short for opposite rwy landing if it looks too tight, as turning a/c will
get eaten up by straight descending a/c 99% of the time, and give all parties wake turb. warnings if
applicable (due to rwy 16 a/c).

After the twins for 28 are passed 16, launch the second, and continue as above, calling dep.
w/ rolling, and setting up for the next 16 dep guy. This works great if all a/c are the same size/weight
class, as they can request to waive for delays (though you cannot solicit the waiver), and if the
pilot isn't aware of this ability, do not bank on them working rapidly on the departure for you.

It's all about keeping it simple, and keeping everybody informed. You can accomplish ANYTHING
with proper coordination and information sharing.


But, then again, what do I know about pushing traffic and driving the bus?

Max Power Senior Member

wo there mr fancy pants, your talking to a computer not real airplanes. your very limited as to what you can say. the FAA says it means you have to learn precise phraseology

troio2 Senior Member Palm Harbor, FL

ok still trying to learn all these terms. Whats the PV?

atcNinja Rookie West-Central Indiana

The statements I used are generally referred to as "standard phraseology" or "acceptable phraseology". If a multi-billion dollar simulation system cannot grasp or understand such an easy collection of approved, simple ATC terms, what good is it really?

The number one rule when you get busy, or are out of a hole: keep it simple, using small and easy to understand words, reducing the need to ever repeat.

After all, time is either a friend, or an enemy, depending upon how efficiently you use it, right?

That wasn't fancy... more like basic common sense, spun for use in the ATC environment

I'm still w/ you on the "precise phraseology", though.... what a bunch of !!

SRQ Senior Member Sarasota/Indianapolis

I believe Performance Verification.

ColtsATC Trusted Contributor Indy

ding ding ding ding...winnaaa!

soonerkid Rookie Middle of Nowhere

while your solution wasnt incorrect, until you actually go to the academy and use the sims you wont really know what we (the people who have used the sims) are saying when we say its not like the real world. and as for the cost, i assure you they are nowhere near the "multi-billion dollar" range. the computer doesnt compensate for the human factor involved when a controller is talking to a real pilot

Adam Unregistered

So what happened when you failed the second time? Did they fail you completely out of the program?