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     10-13-2008, 12:04 AM
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checked my previous apps in asap compared to the "all pubnats to date" close dates and nothing matches.

i have been applying to the "developmental, throughout the united states" type announcements but until now had never seen or heard of a PUBNAT

is PUBNAT 1,2,... the actual announcement number and ive been missing them for the past 6 months? or am i being paranoid
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     10-13-2008, 12:22 AM
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checked my previous apps in asap compared to the "all pubnats to date" close dates and nothing matches.

i have been applying to the "developmental, throughout the united states" type announcements but until now had never seen or heard of a PUBNAT

is PUBNAT 1,2,... the actual announcement number and ive been missing them for the past 6 months? or am i being paranoid
I really, really, really regret the fact that I'm the one who has to say this, but those are the wrong announcements. The correct ones are under "Air Traffic Control Specialist Trainee".
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5/30/2008 ---> Applied OTS (PUBNAT3).
7/17/2008 ---> AT-SAT Authorization.
7/29/2008 ---> AT-SAT e-mail.
8/15/2008 ---> AT-SAT.
8/19/2008 ---> AT-SAT score posted.
11/20/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT3).
11/26/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT4).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT3).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT4).
1/12-16/2009 ---> Selection Panels in OKC.
1/22/2009 ---> E-mail prognostication.

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     10-13-2008, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: feel like i'm missing something

its a bummer but no im glad someone told me.
so as stated in other threads i need to just keep trolling the
announcements for the PUBNATs specifically? (and double
checking here if i missed the post)
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     10-13-2008, 12:30 AM
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Default Re: feel like i'm missing something

do you have previous experience as an atc? or are you like me, an " off the street" no background in air traffic at all??
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     10-13-2008, 12:40 AM
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ots currently enrolled at a cti school
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     10-13-2008, 12:41 AM
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its a bummer but no im glad someone told me.
so as stated in other threads i need to just keep trolling the
announcements for the PUBNATs specifically? (and double
checking here if i missed the post)
For "Air Traffic Control Specialist Trainee" with an announcement number containing the word "PUBNAT" (most likely, it will be PUBNAT7). They usually open around mid-month (15-17ish) and close the last day of the month, or so. The future ones could be different, so don't hold me to that, but that has been the trend in the past.

I've heard there should be one open in mid-November, but definitely keep looking, and studying for your AT-SAT.

In order to submit an app. for one of the CTI announcements, you need your school's code, I believe.
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5/30/2008 ---> Applied OTS (PUBNAT3).
7/17/2008 ---> AT-SAT Authorization.
7/29/2008 ---> AT-SAT e-mail.
8/15/2008 ---> AT-SAT.
8/19/2008 ---> AT-SAT score posted.
11/20/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT3).
11/26/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT4).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT3).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT4).
1/12-16/2009 ---> Selection Panels in OKC.
1/22/2009 ---> E-mail prognostication.

Presently awaiting an offer.
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     10-13-2008, 08:56 PM
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Ammolite,

I will be applying as an OTS in the spring. You mentioned about "studying for your AT-SAT". I have bought Patrick Mattson's career prep guide, is there any other material I should study? I came across Air Traffic Controller | Air Traffic Controller Test Information, is this guy legit? Also any other advice?

thanks, rbfkl
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I've never seen of that site...EVER. It looks dubious, but you never know.

That book (commonly referred to as the "Green Book") will help immensely, but I didn't find the CD to be of much use. The Scan portion and Letter factory were completely different from the test, and the timing on the math/angles portion had much faster time limits(ridiculously so, so don't anticipate that). Others beg to differ...

AT-SAT Information

Every link on this page will help.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask. Make sure you nail the math section -- it's weighted very heavily...

Also, I'm too lazy to check if this site is on that page but www.jeremyjustice.com/games has great Scan & AT-SAT Scenario games to practice.
Just remember with the Scenario one -- on the test:
- The screen will only re-load every 7 seconds (so make the right decision the first time).
- You'll need to triple-click each plane (once for speed, once for altitude, once for direction) - very annoying.
- You cannot fly over the airports (at any altitude) or very close to the borders. On Jeremy Justice, I had used the borders as a bit of a pathway for some planes, but it's not a good habit to get into, because the official game will consider it a separation error.
- It is also easier to land on the test itself -- the borders are not as sensitive, and the landing direction does not change quite as often.
- You need to click each plane as it enters the screen, and it times how quickly you notice and assign it an altitude/direction/speed. Don't leave them hanging.
- There will be less planes on your screen, but it's always best to be comfortable with more.
- With the online game, you will need to pace YOURSELF, because the AT-SAT will time you on how efficiently you get the planes where they need to be. It's easy to get into bad habits with JJ in this regard.

I wouldn't worry about the Scan portion at all - very easy. Also, there is no real way to prepare for the analogies (they are mostly pictoral...it was pretty easy for me, but others had trouble), or the letter factory questions. Just try to maintain as much awareness you can about the color of the last letter you dropped into a box, color of the last box you picked, how many letters were in each box, and at what height was the line of each row (if that makes sense), and which of those were going at the fastest and slowest speeds. I usually just remembered where the highest and lowest ones were, and that was sufficient. It slows down when the questions are going to come, so make sure you give it a good look around then! The ordering boxes part on the test is much easier - I got into the habit of ordering them immediately once I was down to one of a certain color to avoid issue. Don't order boxes any earlier, or it will b#tch and deduct points. You're being too efficient, you see.

That's about it. Oh, and don't flip out when it gives you really low efficiency scores on the Scenarios portion on the real test. I swear they are half-attempting to psych you out, and see how you perform after the stress of failure.
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PUBNAT3,4,5,6,7. Hurrrrr.

5/30/2008 ---> Applied OTS (PUBNAT3).
7/17/2008 ---> AT-SAT Authorization.
7/29/2008 ---> AT-SAT e-mail.
8/15/2008 ---> AT-SAT.
8/19/2008 ---> AT-SAT score posted.
11/20/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT3).
11/26/2008 ---> Geo. Preference (PUBNAT4).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT3).
1/8/2009 ---> Referral list (PUBNAT4).
1/12-16/2009 ---> Selection Panels in OKC.
1/22/2009 ---> E-mail prognostication.

Presently awaiting an offer.
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     10-14-2008, 09:40 AM
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i agree, the hardest parts of the AT-SAT were the math and for me, it was actually the letter factory and scenarios, analogies, scan, angles were easy for me....the math has to be done all in your head so that i would practice the most, along with the letter factory, scenarios, scan and then everything else....but everyone has there own strengths and weaknesses, i knew mine going and focused more heavily on those items...in the end i passed with a 87.4, well qualified{barely...lol...} and did get offered an enroute center, zdc....good luck and study hard....
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I will be applying as an OTS in the spring. You mentioned about "studying for your AT-SAT". I have bought Patrick Mattson's career prep guide, is there any other material I should study? I came across Air Traffic Controller | Air Traffic Controller Test Information, is this guy legit? Also any other advice?
Some guy wrote this. It's sorta helpful.

There are a few places like that online trying to sell you guides. Don't go for them -- they just pull together the same things you can find on these forums and put a price tag on them. It's sleazy and you might find some unreliable stuff in it.

Mattson's book is okay, but it's got some errors in it and it's not particularly well written. If you don't mind spending $40 or $50 on it, I'd say go for it anyway. If a few extra points come out to it being more likely to work where you want, that's worth it to me.

If you're not even planning on applying till spring, you really don't need to start studying yet -- it's not like the MCAT or LSAT. However, it's a good idea to plan on not getting an Academy date until a year (or more) after your initial application... so if an app becomes available sooner than spring, it may be wise for you to take it. The FAA does allow deferrals on some occasions, and if they don't, you can just tell them "Sorry, but I'm not ready just yet." No big deal.
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