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     09-14-2008, 12:34 PM
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I submitted my app for the public announcement which closed in May. I was then selected to take the AT-SAT. I scored a 94 on the test. The just created a refferal list for the positions and it states the following

Referral list FA-AAC-08-15720: Issued on 09/08/2008 for the Throughout The Nation duty location at the FG-1 grade/payband.
A list of the most qualified applicants has been sent to the office with announcement # AAC-AMH-08-PUBNAT2-09140. Your application was not included at this time. Please continue to check back for status updates.

What happened? Why was I not selected? Does this mean I have to keep applying for a position? Do they automatically keep my info and could I be placed on a refferal list in the future? Please help me.
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     09-14-2008, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

I applied last summer, took the AT-SAT in December, referral list came out in feb and I was not selected. So I called OKC to find out why and they told me to just apply for another public announcement. I said the hell with it because I did not want to wait another 7 months. So I found another job with an airline as a pilot, got hired. Then fuel goes sky high! They get rid of me and lay off pilots. One month later I get an e-mail inviting me to a PEPC and I accept, (perfect timing) get a TOL and now 2 months later waiting for a class date.

So what I'm trying to say is don’t give up hope. They turned me down and took me right back. What a roller coaster!
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

I would advise on re applying, you have nothing to lose.
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

Was his application not included because his locations in his geographic preference werent available/hiring?
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

hey bro maybe the problem is that u dident sumited any work or education info the first pub that was in feb i wasent pick in the referil list because i forgot to sumite my work expirience
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     09-14-2008, 11:29 PM
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

If you don't submit work or education info they might reject you on the referral list. As well if you do not have preferences that have a high need of controllers then very few people make the referral lists in those states. You got to hope to be needed where you want to go as well as basically sell yourself. You cannot rely on these committees. Go and visit facilities, make contacts, and maybe one will like you enough to write a letter or pull some strings to help you out.
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Default Re: Please answer some questions for me!

It sounds like you put "Throughout the Nation" as your preference -- did you add in any qualifiers in the comment box that could've narrowed yourself down too much, or did you leave it blank? That would be the first thing I would think of, selecting a place where there wasn't enough space for you to get in.

Second, what are things that could've been red flags on your application? Were you able to conclusively demonstrate either three years of full-time college experience or three years of employment where you've progressed in responsibility? If it was work, was it a job that would look good to someone hiring a controller (minimum-wage work, for example, wouldn't be too compelling)? Were you honest and consistent on the psychological questions (as inconsistent answers can be picked up on), and did you give middle-of-the-road answers (as coming off too over- or under-confident aren't good things)? Did you accidentally select the wrong answer to anything, like not authorizing the FAA to look into your background? Check over your application carefully for any omissions of this sort. One guy in PUBNAT4 didn't receive approval for the AT-SAT due to an accidental omission in employment information.

You should've been applying to every PUBNAT you can, because if you don't clear one step of the process, you can then rely on the next group. If you haven't been doing so, well... that's unfortunate, but PUBNAT7 should be up in the near future so go ahead and apply to that. You'll have to wait a while to get to the geo. preferences again with that group -- PUBNAT3 is still waiting on theirs -- but if you want to stay in the game, it's probably your only option. Once you get removed from the rest of your group, it's unlikely that you'll be able to re-join them later, based upon the experiences that others have described.

Finally, it wouldn't hurt to call the career line to ask what they thought went wrong. They might not be able to tell you, but you never know. There's always the possibility that you were accidentally left out... it happens.

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hey bro maybe the problem is that u dident sumited any work or education info the first pub that was in feb i wasent pick in the referil list because i forgot to sumite my work expirience
Erg. Tell me you had someone proofread what you did submit. I'm not saying this to be rude, I promise, but having been in a hiring position before where I've had to go through resumes and applications, rampant misspelling is one of the easiest ways to get your application tossed. I know that for some people, writing just isn't their strong suit even though they're smart otherwise -- but it's a red flag nonetheless when you see that someone doesn't know how to spell words appearing right there on the application.

Again, not trying to be a jerk here, just trying to share some helpful advice... you may have had more than just work experience working against you (although leaving that off is obviously a glaring mistake, since it's a key component to the application).
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