Crossing Restrictions

OttoFeather Newcomer

ATC directs me to cross XYZ VOR at FL240. Later, prior to the XYZ VOR, ATC says to descend and maintain FL200. Do I still have to cross XYZ at Fl240. I say no but I think there is confusion out there.

polo708 Epic Member tower

No, if another altitude is issued then the restriction is canceled... unless restated when the new altitude is given.

Roddy_Piper Resident Knucklehead Vegas baby

agree with what polo708 said.

NO crossing restriction at XYZ. the restriction would have to be restated if it needed to be complied with.

SnowAviation Senior Member Escondido, CA

Agree with Polo.

atcguruaf Rico Suave AZ

Me too....

klkm Senior Member

Yes, the crossing restriction is canceled. A crossing restriction is a pilots discretion descent, the "descend and maintain FL200" is not. As such, the pilots discretion is gone and now they must descend at a standard rate.

djmodifyd Senior Member

it is NOT cancelled..

just kidding..yes it is, agreed with everyone else. just added to what this forum is normally about.

irishatc Rookie

yep it cancels it. it ALSO would cancel the restriction if the controller said "comply with previous restriction, descend and mantain FL200" we do it all the time but its not legal!! Unless someone can prove me wrong

Roddy_Piper Resident Knucklehead Vegas baby

completely agree.

we (I) use it a lot too. but it's not a binding clearance. you have to restate the crossing restriction in order for it to an obligated crossing restriction.

Radar10 Newcomer