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Is vs. You are
Posted: 02-17-2010, 03:37 PM

While listening to live ATC, I have heard controllers clear airplanes for ILS approaches in a few ways. Some that I have noticed is that the controller will say, Cessna 123 is cleared for the ILS runway 12 approach... On the other hand, I have heard controllers say, Cessna 123 you are cleared for the ILS runway 12 approach... Is there any difference between this terminology change? Is it just preference for saying one versus the other?
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Re: Is vs. You are
Posted: 02-17-2010, 03:51 PM

"Is" and "you are" are both unnecessary.
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 03:56 PM

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"Is" and "you are" are both unnecessary.
Cessna 123 cleared ILS Rnwy 3-2
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 03:59 PM

4-8-1. APPROACH CLEARANCE

PHRASEOLOGY
CLEARED (type) APPROACH.

EXAMPLE-
“Cleared Approach.”
“Cleared V-O-R Approach.”
“Cleared V-O-R Runway Three Six Approach.”
“Cleared F-M-S Approach.”
“Cleared F-M-S Runway Three Six Approach.”
“Cleared I-L-S Approach.”
“Cleared Localizer Back Course Runway One Three
Approach.”
“Cleared R-NAV Runway Two Two Approach.”

For those who demand proof.
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Re: Is vs. You are
Posted: 02-17-2010, 04:25 PM

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Cessna 123 cleared ILS Rnwy 3-2
Don't forget to say "approach" in there.

When clearing an aircraft most controllers use the acroynm PTAC.

Position, turn, altitude, clearance.

6 miles from the FAF, turn right heading 120, maintain 3000 until established on the localizer, cleared ILS RY 15 approach.
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 07:05 PM

Ever heard the term... "cowboy phraseology" lol
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Re: Is vs. You are
Posted: 02-17-2010, 07:11 PM

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Is there any difference between this terminology change? Is it just preference for saying one versus the other?
no difference between the two...both are wrong. the correct way is to say neither.
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 09:09 PM

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Ever heard the term... "cowboy phraseology" lol
I may be king of it, but that don't make it right...lol
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 11:13 PM

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Ever heard the term... "cowboy phraseology" lol
yee haw! I wear spurs every day!
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Posted: 02-17-2010, 11:34 PM

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Don't forget to say "approach" in there.

When clearing an aircraft most controllers use the acroynm PTAC.

Position, turn, altitude, clearance.

6 miles from the FAF, turn right heading 120, maintain 3000 until established on the localizer, cleared ILS RY 15 approach.
Ditto...... 6 days a week!

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