Point outs

Me gotem question. Lets say for purpose that your sector is a sqaure. You take a p/o in the NE corner going eastbound at FL320. You take another p/o on your SE corner going NE bound at FL320. The conflict is in someone else's sector. Do you have to ref the traffic eastbound or NEbound to either person who is giving you the p/o?

No. I can't see conflicts that far in advance. That's a good question, not sure of the answer. Maybe Mr. .65 will chime in.

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I was going to write out a nice long retort citing the .65, but then I realized I could answer it much more simply. If you think that there is a possible conflict, based on mileage between aircraft, closure rates, differant facilities/sectors issuing the point-outs, or any other reason, then by all means issue the traffic and C.Y.A. Otherwise don’t issue it, but remember you are responsible for the separation of all aircraft under your jurisdiction from the 2nd pointed-out aircraft, and that includes the first pointed-out aircraft.

Ok I thought since the conflict isn't in my airspace, that it's not my call but that is why I am a newbie to radar. Go tower!!!!!!!

if i see the two coming together i would take action. in this case it almost looks like the next sector (where your going to lose separation) is the one ultimately responsible to do something. if i were you i would take the two point-outs and call the next sector to give them a heads up of the impending deal in the making. give them control of the two (reference any other traffic you might have) or ask them what control instruction they would like. i wouldn't just let it go though. hope that helps.

I would say it is only your concern if they may merge within your airspace.The first a/c was pointed out in the NE corner and headed eastbound, he won't be in your airspace long if at all. After that any merging target procedures fall on the controllers with the comm. ability.

I know it sounds hard to say but if both AC come from you (If you took a point out they are coming from your sector)and they are coming together in the next sector you are suppose to resolve all conflictions.

If they are coming together but you are unsure (15 minutes away or 100 miles ect) I would just let the other sector know.

If they are coming together and are obviously a problem I would get control on one of them and fix it.

You should treat P/Os the same as any other traffic coming from you. So if it is a enroute AC and a P/O or two Enroute or 2 P/Os You should resolve all conflictions.

Like I said earlier, sometimes it is too far away to tell. Telling the next controller is usually enough.

From what I gather I have the moral response and the duty response. Or take it by a case by case basis. I thought with URET now that it would help out but I guess it depends on the situation.

speaking of URET, is URET showing a red? if so, definitely do something. the red may have already transferred to the next sector if you only took point outs.

Uret is usless in most of these senarios. First of all in order for Uret to show "Red"s is for the confliction point to Occur or Start in your airspace. If either happens 1 inch outside of your airspace it shows only on the recieving controller's Uret. This is on purpose and so that conflictions show on only one Uret at a time. If you hand someone one AC that is in possible confliction with another of yours it will show red on the recieving controller's Uret. If you hand both off, they will both show on their Uret.

You can do a "same altitude" check or a "no route change to same next fix" check and it probes for as long as Uret can search. Bearing in mind that Uret's probe chances for being wrong increases with distance/time to confliction/crossing point.

ATC@ZID gets it pretty close to 100% right.
"From what I gather I have the moral response and the duty response. Or take it by a case by case basis."

Like I said earlier if they are coming together a long ways off and a same alt check turns out "Yellow" I would probably just tell the next guy, hey look out for those two. You turn the wrong one that far out and you could make it worse or cause another confliction. If they are definately a confliction and coming together soon and you can really tell (8 minute vector lines) Then I would take control of it and fix it if at all possible.