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Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-04-2009, 02:32 AM Okay, since we've been beating on a dead horse regarding visual separation and what not, I figured it's time to bring up a new topic. No conflicts regarding this, I'm just bringing it up for debate and interpretation. Please, none of the "what I do is" or "what we do at my facility is".... I genuinely ask that you read and disect the .65 regarding the question I am about to post. Please do so before replying. Yes, I know some, if not most of you will just post anything anyway and not honor the request, but I guess that'll give me the right to call you an idiot. HEHE...j/k. Here goes:
Regarding Air Force 1, in the TERMINAL environment only (sorry EN ROUTE guys), must you append "heavy" as part of the callsign if he's flying in his H/B747? Again, please back up your statements with sections from the .65. I'm pretty sure you guys are all saying "yah, duh, that's an easy one", but again, I stress to please read the .65 and interpret, rather than spouting off random bits of frivilous information that does no good. Thanks. ER |
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-04-2009, 10:58 AM Well, at first I was going to say "Of course not, why would you say heavy?!?!"... But then I actually looked it up, and now I'm going for Yes for two reasons. 1: AF1 Aircraft Identity (2-3-5) is not outside the domain of Aircraft Type (2-3-6), its in-line with it. 2: 2-4-14 Only specifies for En Route facilities to omit Heavy.
It's a special call-sign just like "L" or "T" or "SAM" etc.. and it doesn't specifically say to omit for Terminal. So just like any other call-sign, if its a heavy aircraft I'm going to say Heavy. |
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-04-2009, 11:22 AM do NOT say Heavy
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 01:44 AM I interpret it as you must say heavy, and as some of you have read, it falls under EN ROUTE when you may omit. Any other interpretations?
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 02:47 AM u don't say heavy cuz secret service will have a shit fit if u do.
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 07:40 AM why would they have a shit fit?
You know Jeff, I'm just stirring the pot, so play along please. hehe but seriously, why would they have a shit fit? What's the significance in calling him heavy? Someone called him heavy here and no one said anything (besides the peanut gallery) |
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 11:25 AM The thing is if they are in the B747, then it is a HEAVY, so my opinion you must say Heavy, I've never been told not to. In this day FAA management probably would write you up for not saying heavy.
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 12:34 PM i was told it gives away the type of airplane their in, in case someone is scanning the frequency. to me...i agree with u guys. if it's heavy u say it.
p.s. when was the last time the president flew in an air force plane that wasn't the VC-25. i've only seen air force one 2 of 3 times but i haven't heard of any instances where they weren't a heavy. maybe it's just assumed. (ass out of u and me...i know) |
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Re: Air Force One/Two (heavy?)
Posted: 09-05-2009, 03:38 PM well...i called him AF1 heavy when i was working him out as a departure on radar. No one said anything to me, and secret service didn't flinch. But in the back of my head i was thinking i shouldn't have called him heavy...and i don't know why.
long story short..i called AF1 a heavy, secret service and FAA didn't care |
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