STAR Speeds

OttoFeather Newcomer

Say you are flying a STAR with some mandatory speeds crossing certain waypoints. Center/Approach says to "go normal speed" even though you weren't assigned a speed. Does this negate the mandatory speeds noted on the STAR?

Roddy_Piper Resident Knucklehead Vegas baby

If I have someone on a STAR (say for instance SUNST2 at LAS) and I tell them to "descend via" the arrival then I expect them to comply with published speed restrictions. If I later tell them something to the contrary, like "normal speed" then I expect that they won't necessarily comply with the speeds. I personally like to use "delete the speed at FUZZY" or something that is very clear about what speed I want (or don't need).

I work with a bunch of people that use "normal speed" to mean the same as "delete the speed at FUZZY", "speed your discretion", etc.

If ever it's unclear then ask the controller what they mean by it.

ghogue Newcomer TN

This should answer your question.
From Notices To Airmen Part 4. Graphic Notices

1. Cancellation of Constraints.

* Altitude Constraints. Cancellation of one or more altitude restrictions will normally include the use of "maintain" and/or "except" phraseology, which does not cancel published speed constraints associated with the procedure.

* Speed Constraints. Cancellation of published speed constraints will be indicated by the use of "speed your discretion" or "cancel speed restriction(s)/constraint(s)" phraseology. The use of "except" phraseology may also be used, for example, "except cross MAVVS at 250 knots."

2. Resume Normal Speed. The phraseology "resume normal speed" does not cancel published speed constraints; rather, per Air Traffic Order 7110.65, Air Traffic Control, it cancels speed constraints previously issued by ATC and returns the aircraft to the published speed for the procedure.

And from AIM 4-4-12

NOTE-
An instruction to "resume normal speed" does not delete speed restrictions that are contained in a published procedure, unless specifically stated by ATC, nor does it relieve the pilot of those speed restrictions which are applicable to 14 CFR Section 91.117.

And this from 7110.65S

5-7-4. TERMINATION

Advise aircraft when speed adjustment is no longer needed.

PHRASEOLOGY-
RESUME NORMAL SPEED.

NOTE-
An instruction to “resume normal speed” does not delete speed restrictions that are applicable to published procedures of upcoming segments of flight, unless specifically stated by ATC. This does not relieve the pilot of those speed restrictions which are applicable to 14 CFR Section 91.117.

OttoFeather Newcomer

Thanks ghouge for the refs! It's a pain to have guys on our pilot forum blow air when reciting what they think are the rules.

Admin I'm Kind of a Big Deal Houston

Otto...hopefully you will keep coming back here for assistance with questions like these...please tell all your forum buddies about stuckmic as well, we are always happy to give our opinion...hehe