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    Re: Non-radar tips

    ERAU offered a non-radar class that was only mandatory if you were majoring in ATC (it was just my minor). I should have taken it but it would have postponed my graduation by a semester so I decided to skip it...hope it doesn't come back to bite me in the ass...

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosstafari View Post
    Plenty of non-radar at Centers. Tons in Alaska, good amounts where terrain blocks coverage (Denver, Seattle, etc), and then the oceanic parts like you said. About anywhere that borders Mexico. And anywhere that you run approach without radar or just have gaps in coverage. We use it in two sectors in my area.

    There's plenty of time to learn it at the Academy, and you review it all several times once you get to where you're going. Whether or not you learned it in CTI isn't really a big deal at all. There were four in the most recent group; three OTS and one CTI who said she spent about two days on non-radar. All did fine with it in OKC.
    I thought non-radar was mostly at terminal. Thanks for the info Ross!

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Just make sure you to take your time pre-planning. If your pre-plan is solid then you'll be fine. You don't get new strips during non-radar so everything you have at the beginning is what you will have for your entire problem.

    Remember...check every flight for:

    1) Holding pattern
    2) Airspace
    3) Crossing traffic

    Oh and obviously know your map very well. Plus, always remember that 5 miles of lateral separation will usually get you burned at SQS so always check and make sure that it isn't actually 6.

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoNovember View Post
    That would be a good thing if he ended up at a center, they all have radar, except a few sectors that have islands in the middle of the ocean with no radar (Free-port Bahamas). I talked to many people at the center and they never use non-radar.
    You will use non-radar rules every day, even when you have radar.

    However, I work at ZME and have worked a sector non-radar at least 2-3 times now. We have planned radar outages from time to time that necessitate working traffic below certain altitudes non-radar.

    That said, I think one of your biggest tools working non-radar is getting position reports. If you have a departure and determine that airplane X is in conflict with the departure, then ask airplane X where he is, then base your crossing restrictions (if you even need any, you may already have separation based on that aircraft's current position) on that.

    I know the instructors at OKC get all in a bunch about this, but there is no need to start giving an aircraft control instructions the second they check on. If someone is landing VKS, and is coming over SQS from the north, or JAN from the east, wait until they report one of those fixes before issuing an instruction. You KNOW at that point they are in your airspace, and again you may eliminate the need for a crossing restriction or two because they may have passed some traffic at that point. You can also coordinate control or have a previous sector issue a control instruction if you need to do something before the airplane is in your airspace.

    The simpler you keep it, the simpler it will be. Don't try to do anything fancy when using a simpler rule or re-route will work. Most of all, KNOW YOUR AIRSPACE!!

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    Is non-radar still PASS-PASS at OKC?
    My current instructor (ZAU) informed all of us, (CTI Students) it has recently changed back to pass/fail. If you fail the 1st round you have one more shot.

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by ware230 View Post
    My current instructor (ZAU) informed all of us, (CTI Students) it has recently changed back to pass/fail. If you fail the 1st round you have one more shot.
    Do you go to Lewis? Just wondering who the instructor is, pretty sure a guy in my area teaches some classes over there.
    CPC @ ZAU

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by ware230 View Post
    My current instructor (ZAU) informed all of us, (CTI Students) it has recently changed back to pass/fail. If you fail the 1st round you have one more shot.
    Not unless they did it in the past day or two. People coming out to the Center this week say it's the same as it has been the past several months.
    Pan pan?

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    Re: Non-radar tips

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosstafari View Post
    Not unless they did it in the past day or two. People coming out to the Center this week say it's the same as it has been the past several months.
    +1

    Always better to take the word of people actually at the academy.\

    Getting back to the topic at hand, my advice is don't freak out. Peoples' nerves are what seem to do them in, not the problems. Forget what you've heard about the evaluators, because most of the rumors aren't true. It's just like any other problem, you've been running them for weeks. The more you freak yourself out, the higher the chance of making a mistake.

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    Nope, I can assure you that it has not changed.

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    It is currently worth points, you could fail both portions and still pass. That doesn't determine failure.

    I'm CTI, did no non radar classes and made 100s on both evaluations.

    I'll post more details when I get home.... I'm on lunch at the academy

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