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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    I've signed up for the men in black gun range course. I can't wait to shoot Will Smiths tiny gun, the cricket. I've already invented the perpetual motion machine=my 15 month old boy.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by DFWLVR View Post
    Why don't you contact the FAA Academy in Oklahoma? As far as FOIA goes, I could see much of the curriculum that you're asking for being protected under exemption #2 of the FOIA....or that the FOIAwould not allow you access. That exemption is so broad that it may depend on how you approach the matter...I would send a power trippy..."I'll just do an FOIA request" message, as it will probably equate to you getting squat. I would

    1. Start with the 7110.65 as Roddy suggested.
    2. Contact the FAA Academy in OKC
    3. Contact some of the CTI schools....they can give you insight on to THEIR training but not the training the new hire receives before being certified.
    4. Chill with the FOIA. If you use it as an offensive retort, it usually will end up with your request being denied due to exemption #2. If you just ask if the information is available through the FOIA, you should be OK. (You just came across as using the FOIA as a...I asked and didn't receive so I'll just use the saving grace FOIA to override you) If you didn't then, I'm sorry. You can also read some of stuckmic members' blogs, they are chalk full of cool info.

    Good Luck
    Thanks for the info.

    No I did not state FOIA as a means to try to leverage any information here. Actually I have used FOIA many times and understand the process fairly well. I was just communicating that my intentions are to use the FOIA process. I was just trying to communicate to everyone that I understand why some would have a concern about releasing any kind of information. It could put themselves at risk. So to headoff what I thought might be coming, I went ahead and stated that I intend to use FOIA, to prevent anyone spending unnecessary time responding to my post. It was not at all intended as a "Well I can't get the answer here so I'll throw this in here and maybe they'll jump to help me out." Not at all my intentions. That's one thing I don't like about forums and such. It can be very hard to read someone's tone in print, let alone what a person is really meaning.

    So if anyone took my writing as a threat, or a 'screw you guys I'm going over your head' or anything of that nature, I apologize if what I was saying was not clear. I don't want to get anyone in trouble, nor would I want anyone to provide any information if you have even the slightest notion of being uncomfortable doing so. Therefore, I thought best just to state I will be using FOIA as a means to obtain some info. I had actually meant for the thread to no longer receiver responses, but after going back and reading my posts I see where I left it open ended.

    So, with that said, I do appreciate everyone's response and input. I did get some good info and feedback and I thank you all for that.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    ITR/RTF are trade off lingo for "going through the Stargate".

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    They have pulled all of the potentially sensitive information out of the Academy curriculum.

    Truthfully the training curriculum at the academy just takes the information found in the .65 and a small handful of other publications and puts it into a form that is easier to digest.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Roddy_Piper View Post
    all of this is covered in FAAO 7110.65. there's an online version if ur so inclined:
    7110.65
    Help needed. CTI grad from December 2008, with TOL to enroute facility. By the time I get to OKC I will have been out of CTI for toooo long. I cannot go to basics because I am CTI. Does anyone have any SPECIFIC things I should review that were taught during basics? Specific sections of FAR for enroute basics, etc. I still don't have a class date/FOL, but hoping for early 2011. Any sugggestions or even a Basics Course synopsis or list of topics would be greatly appreciated.
    I have the FAR/AIM but please don't make me re-read the entire thing! Thanks in advance!

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    There is nothing you will learn in basics, that you would not have known and forgotten from CTI school that is important. It is an overview of terms, the break down of the FAA and other useless things. When you get to class they will give you the basics test to see how you would have done, most do not do well! You will then learn everything you need to at a spoon fed pace until you start your problems in the lab. Relax, and enjoy your time off until they finally put you in a seat.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    I graduated CTI back in 2003. Have a 7/14/10 class date, no basics. So if I am reading this right, I should still be ok jumping straight into tower?

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by noahpelkowski View Post
    I graduated CTI back in 2003. Have a 7/14/10 class date, no basics. So if I am reading this right, I should still be ok jumping straight into tower?
    Yes I'm in tower now, you will be spoon fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noahpelkowski View Post
    I graduated CTI back in 2003. Have a 7/14/10 class date, no basics. So if I am reading this right, I should still be ok jumping straight into tower?
    holy crap, 7 years?

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    I thought I remembering a CTI student saying that recommendations don't last that long. Hope they do.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    It initially lasts for three years, then you have to apply for extensions one year at a time.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    It initially lasts for three years, then you have to apply for extensions one year at a time.
    There it is. Thanks for the correction.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Honestly, I wouldn't worry about being rusty. Pretty much everyone in my class was 2+ years removed from CTI school. 7 years is a long time, but I wouldn't sweat it. If you feel like you don't know what you should know your first week, go ahead and study. You're given lesson plans and plenty of material to go over every day. As long as you stay awake and are working in class, you likely won't need to study outside of class, but it's different for every person. But don't stress going into it. I read the forums on this site before I got to Academy and all it did was stress me out. Going into it I felt like I was way behind and had a high chance of failure because I hadn't been staying current since graduation from CTI school. Not the case. Just go in confident and ready to work. If you feel like you need to put in time outside of work to feel comfortable for the PV at the end of 7 weeks, by all means do so. But don't feel like going in rusty at the start of training is going to lead to washing out. You will be shown everything you need to know for the PV.

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    Re: ATC Syllabus or Cirriculum

    Thanks for the info... I have been studying my 7110.65 and I feel confident I'll be ok when I get there.

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