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    Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    hey everyone,

    I apologize for beating a dead horse with the pay questions but I am still confused on what to expect while at the academy. I have not gotten a FOL yet, but have received a tentative class date for August 1st with the FOL "coming soon"

    I got picked up on the Janurary 2013 VRA announcement and have a couple questions.

    What can I expect as a rough estimate for a salary as a VRA student?

    Is the Per Diem included in the salary or is it added to the salary separately?

    Will I receive any locality pay while at the academy on top of the salary?

    I'm just trying to get the ducks in a row before the family and I move cross country to OKC. Thanks for the help!

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Can't answer all of it...per diem is separate, and you'll get the locality from the facility you are going to. I'm going to ZSE so I'll get 21.8% locality...

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    I'm pretty sure VRA hires get AG pay whilst at the academy, which is around 37-40k.

    Per diem is low-mid 90's/day.

    You get the locality % of whatever facility you are slated for.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    You get your first per diam 15 days after check in. I was a Vet at the Academy and got AG pay, with Locality from ZOA and I was getting about 50k a year, not including Per Diem. After taxes I was getting about 1200 every two weeks. CTI students were making about 800 every two weeks not including per diam. Its 52.20 a day for housing and 41 a day for food. first time you put in is 15 days after check in, after that its every 30 days you are at the academy.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by accraft View Post
    You get your first per diam 15 days after check in. I was a Vet at the Academy and got AG pay, with Locality from ZOA and I was getting about 50k a year, not including Per Diem. After taxes I was getting about 1200 every two weeks. CTI students were making about 800 every two weeks not including per diam. Its 52.20 a day for housing and 41 a day for food. first time you put in is 15 days after check in, after that its every 30 days you are at the academy.
    Are you a prior military controller?

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Thank you.
    Finally heard back from my rep and you we're correct.
    37k plus your facility locality and also perdiem.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Is per diem (food/housing) taxed?

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy53139 View Post
    Is per diem (food/housing) taxed?
    Negative.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by CAAK004 View Post
    Negative.
    Because it's considered reimbursement of sorts and therefore not standard income

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    So I am curious, those hired off this recent Feb bid are going to miss out on locality % since a facility will not be assigned until after graduating or will they receive locality % based on OKC? Anyone have any idea?

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by usaftmomike View Post
    So I am curious, those hired off this recent Feb bid are going to miss out on locality pay or will they receive locality pay based on OKC or will they get backpay once a facility is assigned at the end of graduating the academy? Anyone have any idea?
    I believe that those individuals will only receive base pay + per diem. No locality.

    Taken from the Announcement...

    $20,527.00 to $27,942.00 / Per Year
    This salary includes locality pay which will be applicable while attending the FAA ATC Academy.

    Upon successful completion of the Academy initial training program & other employment requirements, newly hired ATCS will be offered a permanent appointment at an FAA facility with a basic salary of $37,441, plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment. Applicants with prior ATC experience will have their salary set in accordance with the ATCS Collective Bargaining Agreement, upon conversion.


    ATCS's will be paid long term expense rate (per diem) for Oklahoma City, OK to help offset daily cost of living while attending FAA Academy. FAA will pay for cost of travel in accordance with applicable agency policy. As an ATCS you will receive pay increases as you successfully complete the progressive phases of controller training at your assigned facility.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by usaftmomike View Post
    So I am curious, those hired off this recent Feb bid are going to miss out on locality % since a facility will not be assigned until after graduating or will they receive locality % based on OKC? Anyone have any idea?
    That's a good question. They'll probably go with 14.16% since that is, I believe, what most facilities are anyways.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by Aferggy View Post
    I believe that those individuals will only receive base pay + per diem. No locality.

    Taken from the Announcement...

    $20,527.00 to $27,942.00 / Per Year
    This salary includes locality pay which will be applicable while attending the FAA ATC Academy.

    Upon successful completion of the Academy initial training program & other employment requirements, newly hired ATCS will be offered a permanent appointment at an FAA facility with a basic salary of $37,441, plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment. Applicants with prior ATC experience will have their salary set in accordance with the ATCS Collective Bargaining Agreement, upon conversion.


    ATCS's will be paid long term expense rate (per diem) for Oklahoma City, OK to help offset daily cost of living while attending FAA Academy. FAA will pay for cost of travel in accordance with applicable agency policy. As an ATCS you will receive pay increases as you successfully complete the progressive phases of controller training at your assigned facility.
    So no 14.16%...bummer :/

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by gablephillip View Post
    So no 14.16%...bummer :/
    You get the 14.16% locality, but with it the most you CAN make at the academy is $27,942

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by gablephillip View Post
    So no 14.16%...bummer :/
    . You get that...it's the lowest locality rate there is though so your salary will be the $20,527.
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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    The per diem rate in OKC is $87 for lodging and $66 for meals; do we get both lodging and meal per diem rates or just lodging?

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by usaftmomike View Post
    The per diem rate in OKC is $87 for lodging and $66 for meals; do we get both lodging and meal per diem rates or just lodging?
    Your rates are wrong, but yes you get both lodging and meals.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    As for the locality... You get the standard rate, which is 14.16%. That amount is already added into the pay they quoted you on your offer letter.

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Quote Originally Posted by The Heatles View Post
    Your rates are wrong, but yes you get both lodging and meals.

    How are they wrong? Where do you get them at? I am getting mine at the GSA Per Diem website:

    http://www.gsa.gov/portal/category/100120

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    Re: Headed to OKC End of July Need Some Clarity

    Your number is correct, buy that's for short term travel. At the academy you are considered long term. The fixed rate/long term per diem will be $93.80, the break down comes to $52.20 for lodging and $41.60 for Meals.

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