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    Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    So I met this guy in my common principles class and he told me once he got his "H" that he would ERR back to his hometown, and I was like whatever dude.

    I ran into him in the tech ops student services and he was just printing out his ERR paperwork.

    Here's the situation:
    He already passed common principles
    And was currently in his concepts class.
    He did not do his equipment school yet, so he feels no harm no foul.

    So if he gets to go to his hometown, the discipline is still the same so now he just has to go to the equipment school.

    I was discussing the way the FAA handles training and retention with a co worker.

    1)If you interview for a site, there is NOTHING legally that can keep you their other than paid relocation.

    2) What could happen is that if you leave early, you could leave a bad taste in your manager's mouth and possibly leave you with a black eye your whole career.

    3) In the above case, since he's leaving early I feel it's not as bad than if he did all his equipment schools and then left.

    Another point I'd like to make is say you have 2 techs and 1 gets promoted to "I". That left over tech is left with all the work until If and when they get a replacement with the right certs/have to go through 2 years of training. It seems like a broken system, but that's the hand we were dealt.


    Any thoughts/experience/correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Well first off, applying for an ERR doesn’t mean you’re going to move. People with years in the agency and multiple equipment certs have a hard time moving. Some new guy without a single cert is probably going to have an interesting time making an ERR happen unless he has dirt on someone lol...

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by "Y"-Code View Post
    Another point I'd like to make is say you have 2 techs and 1 gets promoted to "I". That left over tech is left with all the work until If and when they get a replacement with the right certs/have to go through 2 years of training. It seems like a broken system, but that's the hand we were dealt.

    Any thoughts/experience/correct me if I'm wrong.

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    So, in most SSCs there is like only one I band position. Usually a "Coordinator". Once you get your H - that's pretty much it. The I band jobs in the SSC are few and far between - usually you have to bid on an I band job outside of your area.

    WRT the FNG getting his H and ERRing to his hometown, here is another thing to consider. If he makes his intentions known, he may never get to his H in his SSC.

    Usually, if you come in as a G band, you will need a major system cert to get your H. Typically, that involves your manager getting a school quota, and then setting up your OJT and then getting you scheduled for a proficiency exam and finally certification. A manager will not invest all that time and effort for somebody to just bail as soon as all that happens. Also, like SMS said - ERR paperwork is nothing if there is not a vacancy in the place were you want to go and your current manager MUST release you.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by SMS View Post
    Well first off, applying for an ERR doesn’t mean you’re going to move. People with years in the agency and multiple equipment certs have a hard time moving. Some new guy without a single cert is probably going to have an interesting time making an ERR happen unless he has dirt on someone lol...
    I guess I'll find out if we cross paths again. We're both in OKC right now, but I'll be back 3 more times this fiscal year. He seemed so confident he'd get it.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by Scotter View Post
    So, in most SSCs there is like only one I band position. Usually a "Coordinator". Once you get your H - that's pretty much it. The I band jobs in the SSC are few and far between - usually you have to bid on an I band job outside of your area.

    WRT the FNG getting his H and ERRing to his hometown, here is another thing to consider. If he makes his intentions known, he may never get to his H in his SSC.

    Usually, if you come in as a G band, you will need a major system cert to get your H. Typically, that involves your manager getting a school quota, and then setting up your OJT and then getting you scheduled for a proficiency exam and finally certification. A manager will not invest all that time and effort for somebody to just bail as soon as all that happens. Also, like SMS said - ERR paperwork is nothing if there is not a vacancy in the place were you want to go and your current manager MUST release you.

    Scotter
    Scotter and SMS, have you seen anybody blackballed in your career? I feel sorry for the guy. He was the guy in Common Principles that asked questions every 5 minutes and thought he knew everything, you know "that guy" every class has him.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by "Y"-Code View Post
    Scotter and SMS, have you seen anybody blackballed in your career? I feel sorry for the guy. He was the guy in Common Principles that asked questions every 5 minutes and thought he knew everything, you know "that guy" every class has him.

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    I personally, have never seen anyone blackballed per se, but the agency is small and most Managers get to know each other over the years and they have been known to talk about work and perhaps a troublesome employee or 2.....

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Yeah, not blackballed but some folks get a reputation.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    After you've been in the FAA longer than just a few years you learn that instead of getting blackballed people get promoted up to their level of incompetence!

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by somms View Post
    After you've been in the FAA longer than just a few years you learn that instead of getting blackballed people get promoted up to their level of incompetence!
    Seems like the military. Navy to be specific.

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    Re: Blackballed/pissing of your manger

    Quote Originally Posted by "Y"-Code View Post
    Navy to be specific.
    Hey now - some Navy promotions were based in merit. At least that was the case in my experience.

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