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    ATSS For Non-vet

    Hello all, I see the participation on these forums for ATSS is no where near that in ATC but I have a few questions and figured it was worth a try.

    Firstly I was recently referred to two locations in the G band Environmental I am a non vet and am wondering how often non-vets get picked up since the push to hire veterans. I have about five and a half years of technician and high voltage electrical dispatch experience.

    Secondly I was wondering if there is any chance at all of getting picked up in the F band being as I only qualified for 1 G band. I'm thinking with the lower requirements for the F band these positions may solely go to veterans is there anybody who has been hired F band that is a non vet? From past experience have the F band referral lists been issued after G band traditionally?
    Does anyone have any idea of locations that my chances may be increased as a non-vet?

    Lastly, any suggestions on stuff to bone up on for a potential interview?

    Any and all info you guys may be able and willing to share would be much appreciated!

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksles View Post
    Hello all, I see the participation on these forums for ATSS is no where near that in ATC but I have a few questions and figured it was worth a try.

    Firstly I was recently referred to two locations in the G band Environmental I am a non vet and am wondering how often non-vets get picked up since the push to hire veterans. I have about five and a half years of technician and high voltage electrical dispatch experience.

    Secondly I was wondering if there is any chance at all of getting picked up in the F band being as I only qualified for 1 G band. I'm thinking with the lower requirements for the F band these positions may solely go to veterans is there anybody who has been hired F band that is a non vet? From past experience have the F band referral lists been issued after G band traditionally?
    Does anyone have any idea of locations that my chances may be increased as a non-vet?

    Lastly, any suggestions on stuff to bone up on for a potential interview?

    Any and all info you guys may be able and willing to share would be much appreciated!
    So I came on in 2010, and can only offer my perspective as new hire from that time frame.

    Know that I am not HR, so I can't give you info on vet versus non vet hire statistics, but I will tell you that with the rules change it is EXTREMELY harder for non vets to get hired in all .gov service.

    When I came on in 2010, out of a new hire class of 35, we had 2 guys who were not veterans. 1 guy had been in telecommunications for like 15 years, the other kid was a CTI who had family in the agency.

    I came in with 26yrs of military avionics/electronics experience and background, and I was hired off an open bid for F+10%. Now, things have changed dramatically, and I think most military hires are eligible for G band hire. But also know that the hiring process is a work in progress and always in flux....

    That fact that you are getting referrals is fantastic, because it means you are making the cut with your resume/application/experience.

    If I had one thing to say it would be yes, bid on the most remote - isolated bids you can find because, chances are, nobody wants to go there. Alaska seems to offer remote bids, and maybe PR, Guam and things like that. Remember getting in is the key....

    With new rules, vets float to the top of the hiring list if they are deemed "qualified", your task, my young jedi, is to find that bid that has no vets in the mix.

    This is probably EVERYTHING that you didn't want to hear, but this is just my perspective from my limited window into the agency. Been in since 2010, started at the Air Route Traffic Control Center in Fort Worth as an Automation (Super) tech - working all things computers and displays. Promoted up to the Southwest Regional office basically as a QA for risk management, but still a BA MF.


    Scotter sends....

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    the chances are slim BUT it can happen.
    the last few people hired at my facility (in all disciplines) even at a near by airport were all non-vets.
    for your interview I'd say try to know a little bit about everything for ESU (electronic,mechanical,hvac) show that you can learn and willing to learn

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    What makes the hiring process so heavily skewed towards vets? Is it that hiring managers prefer vets? Hopes aren't high but I had a few postings change to "Reviewed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kshaky View Post
    What makes the hiring process so heavily skewed towards vets? Is it that hiring managers prefer vets? Hopes aren't high but I had a few postings change to "Reviewed".
    Back in 2009, they passed a bill for vet hiring. While Vets already had "preference" for government jobs, the vet hiring push set new rules that basically said if a veteran is deemed "qualified" for the position, they float to the top of the hiring list above all others. This only applies to bids off the street and only to up to GS -11 (I believe).

    Scotter

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    Quote Originally Posted by kshaky View Post
    What makes the hiring process so heavily skewed towards vets? Is it that hiring managers prefer vets? Hopes aren't high but I had a few postings change to "Reviewed".
    Like Scotter said, if a Vet is deemed qualified, they essentially go go to the top of the referral list (it’s actually a separate list but has the same effect).

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    First off, thanks to all of you who have replied. I have been mixing up my location preferences with locations that I would love to go to and places I wouldn't necessarily love but could make work for the 5-10 years generally expected of trainees. So far I have referrals to a couple places I would love and some of those I can make work and likely offer less competition.

    Scotter, any thoughts on Alaska? I saw you mention the remote locations and I've browsed some of the threads that say many stationed in Anchorage actually work 8 on 6 off shifts at remote locations. Do you, or anyone else, know anything about the Alaska situation? I honestly think I would enjoy Alaska, for me it is more about affordability and available housing. Anchorage, along with possibly Kenai, are really the only locations that I could see working financially. Are they as in need of bodies as some have suggested?

    Big Horse, what part of the country are you in? Perhaps, when the next round of hiring comes up, I'll look into some of the positions by you, if they are bringing in non-vets.

    I have been boning up on some of my tech/mechanical knowledge as well as looking into some stuff I didn't get into much ie. HVAC, computer networking etc. I may have some weak areas in my experience but there is not much you can't learn or do with YouTube so I'll keep up with the self teaching and hope I get a call. Thanks for the help and, to anyone else, I'd love some more feedback.

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksles View Post
    Scotter, any thoughts on Alaska? I saw you mention the remote locations and I've browsed some of the threads that say many stationed in Anchorage actually work 8 on 6 off shifts at remote locations. Do you, or anyone else, know anything about the Alaska situation? I honestly think I would enjoy Alaska, for me it is more about affordability and available housing. Anchorage, along with possibly Kenai, are really the only locations that I could see working financially. Are they as in need of bodies as some have suggested?
    Sorry, I can't speak to any of the shifts, or how any of the SSCs work in Alaska.

    I do know that most of those spots are harder to fill, as it is not the first choice on anyone's app unless there're from there.

    Scotter

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Where are you looking? I am currently at Albuquerque ARTCC, and the newest ESU hire is a non-vet. If you are willing to come here I would keep an eye out on USAJOBS. ESU is short staffed and Comm is currently hiring, and soon to have another opening. Good luck.

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksles View Post

    Big Horse, what part of the country are you in? Perhaps, when the next round of hiring comes up, I'll look into some of the positions by you, if they are bringing in non-vets.
    New York/New Jersey

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Oakland (ZOA) ARTCC Environmental always needs people. Always

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    USMC - I looked into the area and it is definitely an area I could make work. I was generally trying to stay close to some sort of water, whether that be inland lakes, the Great Lakes or even the ocean if the area was affordable. Fishing currently takes up a large portion of my free time but I also snowboard and generally enjoy outdoorsy stuff. Not to derail the entire thread but what are your thoughts on living in the ABQ area? I did some research and it seems very affordable and I could definitely find things to do but wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on the area. I'm from Ohio, for a background. Also, what do you mean by ESU?

    RebelRobert - Do you work at Oakland currently? what is your opinion on the affordability for the first 1-3 years while I attempt to move up from F or G band? Anything else you know about the training / promotion potential etc in the area? or any other pro's con's you can think of?

    BigHorse - Same question, is it financially feasible in the lower pay range to relocate to that area? Anything else you know about the training / promotion potential etc. in the area? or any other pro's con's you can think of?

    I appreciate you guys helping me out. This is my first go around applying to the open bids. If nothing comes of this attempt, I will try again next time. I figure the more information I can get, going into the next mass posting, the better off I'll likely be.

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksles View Post
    BigHorse - Same question, is it financially feasible in the lower pay range to relocate to that area? Anything else you know about the training / promotion potential etc. in the area? or any other pro's con's you can think of.
    Unless u r relocating from DC or San Francisco, you will find New York super expensive. The house prices are crazy. And everyone that's trying to relocate even within the district is having a hard time. The district manager isn't letting anyone move or leave. Even with family issues.
    If you do come to NY you will get promoted faster at the TRACON than the airports.

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    Re: ATSS For Non-vet

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksles View Post
    USMC - Also, what do you mean by ESU?
    ESU= Environmental Services Unit. They deal with Power services, Chillers/HVAC/Air handlers, backup generators and stuff like that.

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