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    New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Can someone confirm the rumors that common Principles will now be mostly computer based with minimal time in OKC?

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    I heard something like that and they are getting rid of a few subjects like transmission lines.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Yes. Something like two weeks in OKC and the rest will be correspondence courses.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by SMS View Post
    Yes. Something like two weeks in OKC and the rest will be correspondence courses.
    I think it has its benefits and costs. On one hand, being away from family for 2 months sucks, but I went home after the second month for 25 hours just to see my wife and kids then went back for the 2nd month. On the other hand, doing math and transmission lines and antenna radiation patterns live in person was very valuable to me as Navy Avionics did not teach those subjects to us and the math portion was a good refresher.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    So the MMAC has always been changing in just my short 9yrs in the Agency. When I came in it was go to your facility for a few weeks, then go to OKC for New Hire classes. Then they changed it to go directly to OKC for 2 months and then your facility. Then it was go to the facility and do courses and go. Then back to new hire class for a couple months, now back courses. This too will change. Every new director of training has a better idea than the last to get the bullet on his or resume to get the next detail or K or L band job. The more things change, the more they go right back to the way they used to do it. There is NO consisentancy in the FAA, from the SSC levels, to the district, to the Servce area, to the nation.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    When will the new class setup go into effect?

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Flightcheck86 View Post
    When will the new class setup go into effect?
    We have 2 new techs coming soon. I'll keep you posted.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Now

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by SMS View Post
    Now
    So do you know how much physical time in OKC for Common Principles?

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    I believe it’s two weeks...but don’t quote me on that.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Just got some dates. Looks like 14 classroom days, just under 3 weeks.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    New Common Principles (3 Modules):

    Math (eLMS online)

    Electronics (eLMS online)

    ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

    The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

    In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


    Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


    The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

    The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelRobert View Post
    New Common Principles (3 Modules):

    Math (eLMS online)

    Electronics (eLMS online)

    ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

    The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

    In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


    Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


    The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

    The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.
    Thanks for sharing!

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    From what I have overheard, the elms online portion of the course is already DOA since it is 100% hackable using the proper phone app!

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by somms View Post
    From what I have overheard, the elms online portion of the course is already DOA since it is 100% hackable using the proper phone app!
    Now that is funny!

    I am not a fan of them doing it online anyways, the students need to be in class with instructors.

    FAA needs to suck it up, pay to hire more FAA instructors (not worthless contractors) and do things the right way.

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    Re: New Common Principles not 2 months anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelRobert View Post
    New Common Principles (3 Modules):

    Math (eLMS online)

    Electronics (eLMS online)

    ILT Electronics Troubleshooting (Instructor Led Training)

    The initial training curriculum for newly hired ATSSs, known as Common Principles, was revised from a nine-week instructor-led training (ILT) course at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center (MMAC) to increase training throughput and reduce travel related expenses while maintaining continuity of knowledge transfer. The revised course is now structured as a combination of two distance learning eLMS courses followed by a two-and-a-half-week ILT course at the FAA Academy. The two eLMS courses are Mathematics Refresher and Fundamentals of Electronics and are prerequisites for the Electronics Troubleshooting ILT portion taught at the Academy.

    In recent years, the FAA’s Mathematics Refresher course has been taught as a part of the current Common Principles course. As noted above, the FAA’s Common Principles course changed from a nine-week instructor led training (ILT) course at the MMAC, to a two-and-a-half-week course at the FAA Academy. Mathematics content that was previously taught as ILT training is now being delivered to technicians locally at their home facilities via distance learning through eLMS. The math refresher portion of the ATSS new hire training has traditionally had a high failure rate that was mitigated by instructor tutoring assistance, which helped struggling students regain the math skills required to pass the course.


    Successful completion of the Mathematics Refresher distance learning component is a prerequisite to the follow on Electronics distance learning course, and the ILT Electronics Troubleshooting course. Failures in the first component, Mathematics Refresher, will present a significant bottleneck of student throughput and potentially cause the Agency to not meet its staffing targets to maintain safe air traffic operations.


    The distance-learning mathematics portion of the revised Common Principles curriculum began in March 2019.

    The Electronics and ILT Electronics Troubleshooting portions have been under development and will be available for ATSS completion in July 2019.
    Math refresher from an instructor that could show you step by step and answer questions helped me out alot. I never learned transmission lines and antennas in the navy, it was good having an instructor. ELMS courses dont help me learn at all. Just control F to get it done.






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