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    CTI and the GI Bill at Embry?

    So, thinking of a plan B on getting out just incase this announcment falls through for me and I don't pass the Bio Q.

    I'm applying to Embry-Riddle in Daytona and I was wondering if I should pursue the Air Traffic Management degree or should I just pursue something else in the aviation field.

    If so, I understand the GI Bill doesn't cover a degree program and flight so I'll have to pay the 60k out of pocket for flight but yeah haha

    Anyone have any input on good aviation degrees if CTI isn't one of them?
    And school recommendations if Embry-Riddle Daytona isn't as awesome as people make it be?

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    I have a B.S. in Aviation Administration and half way through a M.B.A.. Let me save you a lot of TIME and MONEY. Do not go to Embry-Riddle...get a standard business degree elsewhere. A degree in any aviation field is worthless outside of aviation while a standard degree can easily be supplemented with a A.A.A.E. certification at a later date. I could recommend thirty schools but help a guy out and narrow down the region you are interested in for me (outside of the obvious FL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster View Post
    I have a B.S. in Aviation Administration and half way through a M.B.A.. Let me save you a lot of TIME and MONEY. Do not go to Embry-Riddle...get a standard business degree elsewhere. A degree in any aviation field is worthless outside of aviation while a standard degree can easily be supplemented with a A.A.A.E. certification at a later date. I could recommend thirty schools but help a guy out and narrow down the region you are interested in for me (outside of the obvious FL).
    east coast, mainly florida though. And if I were to get a degree it would be in accounting, just don't know of any schools in Florida fhat are good for accounting haha. Why not get a air traffic management degree or aviation degree though? Money isn't a problem since the GI bill will cover most of anything

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    A degree in any business field (including accounting) is extremely versatile compared to the overly specialized degrees ER will try to sell you. I say again....SELL YOU. ER doesn't care about performance...they care about money. As for business schools in Florida, I hear USF has a pretty good accounting/business program...and loads of coeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster View Post
    A degree in any business field (including accounting) is extremely versatile compared to the overly specialized degrees ER will try to sell you. I say again....SELL YOU. ER doesn't care about performance...they care about money. As for business schools in Florida, I hear USF has a pretty good accounting/business program...and loads of coeds.
    USF has a great Business school! ANNNND All those other things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonhonie View Post
    USF has a great Business school! ANNNND All those other things

    Ive ve been talking to friends and they've been saying that FSU has a good business/accounting program also. But what about florida institute of technology? They have a good aviation management/flight program.
    im beginning to lean over to the flight side, GI bill will cover my degree and 50k in loans for something I love doing may be worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel.laden View Post
    Ive ve been talking to friends and they've been saying that FSU has a good business/accounting program also. But what about florida institute of technology? They have a good aviation management/flight program.
    im beginning to lean over to the flight side, GI bill will cover my degree and 50k in loans for something I love doing may be worth it?
    I've been flying for years. Don't take out loans to play a rich man's game. If you aren't trying to pursue flight as a career then don't take massive debt in order to pay for it. You will regret it... BTW, FIT is a PRIVATE school. You will pay through the nose for a piece of paper that would get you that much more in life. Not trying to be a recruiter or anything, but if you are getting off of active check out the guard. They'll pick up the check for your tuition so you'll be able to pocket your GI Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooster View Post
    I've been flying for years. Don't take out loans to play a rich man's game. If you aren't trying to pursue flight as a career then don't take massive debt in order to pay for it. You will regret it... BTW, FIT is a PRIVATE school. You will pay through the nose for a piece of paper that would get you that much more in life. Not trying to be a recruiter or anything, but if you are getting off of active check out the guard. They'll pick up the check for your tuition so you'll be able to pocket your GI Bill.
    The flight schools that Ive researched in Florida, all cover tuition under the GI bill but the GI bill isn't enough to cover flight costs either. I LOVE flying and I want it to be my career one day (I love ATC too). Most flight schools in Florida are private schools (embry and fit atleast)

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    Check out MTSU. Not that far from FL and will cost half as much as any school in FL.

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    Re: CTI and the GI Bill at Embry?

    Quote Originally Posted by rooster View Post
    I have a B.S. in Aviation Administration and half way through a M.B.A.. Let me save you a lot of TIME and MONEY. Do not go to Embry-Riddle...get a standard business degree elsewhere. A degree in any aviation field is worthless outside of aviation while a standard degree can easily be supplemented with a A.A.A.E. certification at a later date. I could recommend thirty schools but help a guy out and narrow down the region you are interested in for me (outside of the obvious FL).
    I second this. I have a B.S. in Aviation Management after switching several times between a flight degree and management. Best decision I've made. AAAE has excellent "continuing studies" courses that is recognized and often required in the aviation management world. Do NOT put all your eggs in one basket...

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    Yeah...from a Riddle grad...unless you're going for specialized engineering....don't go. Your money is better placed elsewhere.

    I have a buddy who said his GI bill paid for both his Aviation Management degree (or whatever they call it there) as well as his flight costs. For some reason, ERAU will not allow the GI money to go toward the flying costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    Yeah...from a Riddle grad...unless you're going for specialized engineering....don't go. Your money is better placed elsewhere.

    I have a buddy who said his GI bill paid for both his Aviation Management degree (or whatever they call it there) as well as his flight costs. For some reason, ERAU will not allow the GI money to go toward the flying costs.
    do you know what college that was at? I know Florida Institute of Technology is the same way, GI won't pay for both.

    also aviation management/administration would be a better degree program than Air traffic management?
    Or just a general business degree?

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    Don't overpay for a bachelor's degree, no matter what the hell it's in. The Post-9/11 GI Bill pays up to the highest resident tuition in the state where you attend college, so you would need a really good reason to go to a private or out-of-state university over your flagship state university. ERAU used to offer the benefit of preferential hiring by the FAA if you completed their CTI degree in underwater basketweaving, but that isn't the case now. If you're a Florida resident, there is no reason to pay $43,000 a year (or about $88,000 before interest after four years, minus your GI Bill) for a bachelor's degree at ERAU you could get at UF or FSU for $21,000 a year (or about $0 after four years, minus your GI Bill).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowapproach View Post
    Don't overpay for a bachelor's degree, no matter what the hell it's in. The Post-9/11 GI Bill pays up to the highest resident tuition in the state where you attend college, so you would need a really good reason to go to a private or out-of-state university over your flagship state university. ERAU used to offer the benefit of preferential hiring by the FAA if you completed their CTI degree in underwater basketweaving, but that isn't the case now. If you're a Florida resident, there is no reason to pay $43,000 a year (or about $88,000 before interest after four years, minus your GI Bill) for a bachelor's degree at ERAU you co
    luld get at UF or FSU for $21,000 a year (or about $0 after four years, minus your GI Bill).
    GI Bill at Embry pays for full tuition. The only thing it doesn't pay for is flight fees (training wet) which is normal thoughout the country and is also about 50-60k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel.laden View Post
    do you know what college that was at? I know Florida Institute of Technology is the same way, GI won't pay for both.

    also aviation management/administration would be a better degree program than Air traffic management?
    Or just a general business degree?
    He went to University of Oklahoma. And yes ATC would be a huge waste of time. Stick with aviation management or something else

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    Have you looked at 2 year aviation programs like Miami- Dade or Broward college? And UCF has a good accounting/ business school, University of Miami has an excellent business/accounting school (private though). Even though inchoate to admit it, university of Florida has a good business school. U can get the 2 year flying degree, and then transfer to a 4 yr state school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    He went to University of Oklahoma. And yes ATC would be a huge waste of time. Stick with aviation management or something else
    I am this man he speaks of. Your post 9/11 GI Bill will pay for at least portions of everything for flight training, aside from your private, since it is worthless as far as flying for $$ goes. As with what rooster said, If you join the guard, they normally pay your state tuition, you can pocket your GI bill, or put it towards flight training.

    Also, as rooster said, that's a HUGE waste of money, as well as getting a specialized aviation degree being overrated. If I were you, get a minor in an aviation related degree (NOT CTI.....), and a major in business, accounting, etc. I think if you sift through these forums enough you'll find enough people on here who are stuck in shit jobs with high dollar ERAU/UND/Beaver/Purdue/wherever aviation degrees with flight training who would go back and do it differently if they had the chance. I include myself in that. I'd never go to school for aviation related things unless it was engineering, and I'm way too stupid for that, and realized how much money as I was wasting for a near poverty wage job, so I fell back on plan b, ATC which I did in the military.

    Also, keep in mind you can also use your GI bill for On the Job training while in an FAA facility training program. You basically get e-5 BAH with dependants for the zip code you work in. So if you get a high cost of living city, its like an extra paycheck every month. I work in North Dallas, and Long Island before that. Its very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel.laden View Post
    GI Bill at Embry pays for full tuition. The only thing it doesn't pay for is flight fees (training wet) which is normal thoughout the country and is also about 50-60k
    I would be very sure about how much you will owe at the end. And honestly, even $60k for a bachelor's degree for airline jobs that pay $30k is too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhstadt View Post
    I am this man he speaks of. Your post 9/11 GI Bill will pay for at least portions of everything for flight training, aside from your private, since it is worthless as far as flying for $$ goes. As with what rooster said, If you join the guard, they normally pay your state tuition, you can pocket your GI bill, or put it towards flight training.

    Also, as rooster said, that's a HUGE waste of money, as well as getting a specialized aviation degree being overrated. If I were you, get a minor in an aviation related degree (NOT CTI.....), and a major in business, accounting, etc. I think if you sift through these forums enough you'll find enough people on here who are stuck in shit jobs with high dollar ERAU/UND/Beaver/Purdue/wherever aviation degrees with flight training who would go back and do it differently if they had the chance. I include myself in that. I'd never go to school for aviation related things unless it was engineering, and I'm way too stupid for that, and realized how much money as I was wasting for a near poverty wage job, so I fell back on plan b, ATC which I did in the military.

    Also, keep in mind you can also use your GI bill for On the Job training while in an FAA facility training program. You basically get e-5 BAH with dependants for the zip code you work in. So if you get a high cost of living city, its like an extra paycheck every month. I work in North Dallas, and Long Island before that. Its very nice.

    oklahoma ma was a 4 year flight degree? Message me man I want to hear some details please! I'm up in the air about it, I want to fly but every school I've contacted only do 2 year flight degree programs and the GI bill still doesn't cover it.
    heres my problem, a 4 year B.S degree in anything is paid for, Embry Riddle or FSU/UF, that's paid for through the GI Bill. The GI bill doesn't cover flight fees and that's the only thing I'm worried about. Is it worth the 50k in flight fees at ANY college and a free degree? I know people in debt up to 100k just for a degree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel.laden View Post
    oklahoma ma was a 4 year flight degree? Message me man I want to hear some details please! I'm up in the air about it, I want to fly but every school I've contacted only do 2 year flight degree programs and the GI bill still doesn't cover it.
    heres my problem, a 4 year B.S degree in anything is paid for, Embry Riddle or FSU/UF, that's paid for through the GI Bill. The GI bill doesn't cover flight fees and that's the only thing I'm worried about. Is it worth the 50k in flight fees at ANY college and a free degree? I know people in debt up to 100k just for a degree!
    Check you benefits package and hit the va website duder. its kind of an either/or proposition, just not both. I was guard with enough active time from deployments and such to have my BS payed for by the state, pocketed my gi bill stipend/ used it for flight training (did a 50/50 mix of gi bill and loans, plus had a 30-40hr a week part time job).

    The OU flight program is pretty good, got fairly new cherokees, some with glass cockpits, a couple of arrows, and if I remember correctly, a couple of barons and a seneca for multi, a C152 aerobat they do spin training and an aerobatics course in, as well as a king air 300 for turbine time, but the BE30 comes at a premium for like 15 hrs or so of flight time you get. they offer four year degrees in Aviation management, a straight BS is aviation sciences, and a CTI school if its still around. They also have a real bang up engineering dept in Norman.

    Like I said, I wouldn't do it again, but its a badass place to go to school if that's what you want to do with your hard earned beneys. TBH, the airlines don't care about where you went to school, the paper means nothing, its all about those flight hours. So may as well go some place with a decent program and a better coed ratio than 10:1, and a baller as football team. Norman is that place. Again, I'd think long and hard about using my GI bill for flight training unless you are absolutely sure you want that as a career, and make sure you understand the implications of having that much student loan debt and having a career with which you qualify for food stamps.

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