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    most ppl in this building has a parent there. Its like an automatic gold mine,

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    Quote Originally Posted by liandrajade View Post
    wow...not all new yorkers are psychos you know....****twitches and talk to pink chinchilla monkey playing on the xbox next to her***....lol....

    i have a friend at ZNY now, hes a dev and he seems to be doing just fine, OTS NO family in there that are previous controllers, he was just a pilot....cant be ALL that bad and thats from my friends mouth directly who got there last year....if you dont mind me asking where are you located? you or your girlfriend controllers??? just curious.....
    LOL, there is a reason the FAA is dead last at the best place to work in the govt.
    I'm out west, she's east coast and hates it. My union works together to make changes, her's just fight and divides everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whynot View Post
    LOL, there is a reason the FAA is dead last at the best place to work in the govt.
    I'm out west, she's east coast and hates it. My union works together to make changes, her's just fight and divides everyone.
    i see, that sucks the distance apart from each other...when do you guys see each other that sounds rough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by belot64f View Post
    Anyone slated for ZNY to arrive sometime in Mid June? I finish up in OKC mid June going to ZNY. Anyone know of any AFFORDABLE housing locations and solutions near the ZNY/Ronkonkoma area? I am not familiar with Long Island. PLEASE let me know via PM or this post! Thanks!
    The word "affordable" and Long Island don't exactly go together, but it is all relative of course. Don?t rush into anything and try to get a feel for the area(s) first. There is great diversity between the areas to live and I would take the time (if possible) to look around. You might want to consider a broker to find an area for you that would fit your needs. For example, Long Island is very big into ?school districts? so if you have kids that would be a big consideration. Another example is if you are a boater. Sailing is more popular on the north shore of Long Island while the south shore is more for power boats. Good luck.

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    Another option I'd strongly recommend heading 15-20 minutes east of ZNY. You can get a decent basement apartment for around 900 bucks. A general rule is the further west you go the more you'll pay. good luck!

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    How is training and certification like in ZNY? I don't want to hear HORROR stories about washout rates. If I want horror stories, I will go to the N90 thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Towns2dd View Post
    How is training and certification like in ZNY? I don't want to hear HORROR stories about washout rates. If I want horror stories, I will go to the N90 thread.


    It's not that bad...I started at ZNY June 1st, 2009 and I just became D3 last week. Can't complain about that...11 months and now I'm makin over 100k
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam2821 View Post
    Is that typical?? I know someone there almost 2 years and he is just a D1 about to become a D2.

    Yeah pretty typical. I have a friend in area C there and she is about 2 weeks shy of CPC. She has been at ZNY since august of 2008. Less than 2 yrs to cpc. Not bad. I know some people got screwed with ERAM coming in but now they are moving along.

    I should say this though...with the new contract this is typical. If this was still the old contract I would only be at D1. So now that they changed how we get paid most people at ZNY will get raises quickly
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    Quote Originally Posted by atcgirl1 View Post
    you wouldn't know for 2013 right? would they save any positions, or hire 50? also, do you happen to know the washout rates for CTI students for ZNY?
    CTI washout just as much as OTS, if not more, at ZNY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Towns2dd View Post
    Why is the washout rates at centers so high? I thought the FAA is starting to put new trainees in lower levels facilities? I visit KRIC and KPHF in the last two years. One trainee in KRIC was a Memphis Center washout and the other one in KPHF was also a Memphis Center washout. The KPHF controller said he certified on the high altitude radar section, but washout out on the low altitude radar section. I don't understand why the FAA is sending trainees to these high level tracons and centers, when too many trainees are washing out???

    There are way more trainees that pass then fail, that's why.
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    Re: New York Center - ZNY

    just in case people were wondering, zny selected 39 people during the panels that met in october. they are hiring a total of 50 people during FY2011
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    Well I'm one of those 39. What kind of chance does a person like me with no experience have of checking out at ZNY? Is it pretty average as far as centers go, or is it one of the more difficult facilities? I've heard training at a center is easier (better organized) in general than at high level towers and tracons. Am I wrong? I picked WY and Montana fully expecting not to get an offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironsides70 View Post
    Well I'm one of those 39. What kind of chance does a person like me with no experience have of checking out at ZNY? Is it pretty average as far as centers go, or is it one of the more difficult facilities? I've heard training at a center is easier (better organized) in general than at high level towers and tracons. Am I wrong? I picked WY and Montana fully expecting not to get an offer.
    zny is a pretty hard facility, but most trainees to make it to cpc. id say about 75-80% make it total...now if you narrow that down to each area its different. area A in zny is the hardest and they do have a lot of trainees fail. Oceanic area are generally easier....area F (deep atlantic) is the easiest. no one has failed that area in a long time. area E (oceanic just off shore), is also pretty easy, but they have 1 sector (manta-66) that is considered one of the hardest single sectors in the building. they have a pretty decent washout rate on that 1 sector alone. area C is the easiest of the domestic areas, and B & D have your avg washout rates. if you have any questions you can always send me a Private Message. my little brother just got picked up today for ZNY as well
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    Bip, which area were you in? I think you mentioned it once but it's been a while... one of the oceanics, right?

    $10 if you CPC in time to train your brother. The stories'll be awesome.

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    i also found out im heading to ZNY.... pretty excited about that. live on long island an was really lucky to get picked up first panel i applied too.. i know of 3 other friends of mine that got picked up there too..How long after you arrive do you find out what area you are in? and on average how long is the classroom training before you are on the floor training? any info regarding new hires at ZNY would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosstafari View Post
    Bip, which area were you in? I think you mentioned it once but it's been a while... one of the oceanics, right?

    $10 if you CPC in time to train your brother. The stories'll be awesome.
    im in area E, one of the easier ones. that would be great to be his trainer..unplug him every two seconds for not knowing his radials!
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    Quote Originally Posted by atc614 View Post
    i also found out im heading to ZNY.... pretty excited about that. live on long island an was really lucky to get picked up first panel i applied too.. i know of 3 other friends of mine that got picked up there too..How long after you arrive do you find out what area you are in? and on average how long is the classroom training before you are on the floor training? any info regarding new hires at ZNY would be great.
    finding out which area your goin to depends on how many people are in your class..i came in with only two, and knew the first day we were goin to area E...but there was a class that came in 3 weeks after, and they didnt find out for 2.5 weeks where they were headed. .

    you get a total of 6 weeks in classroom before you hit the floor to check out on the A's..then you do that till you go to class for either radar school, or oceanic ATOP school if you get one of the ocean areas. normal wait time waiting for a radar class date is like 4 months - 1 yr in some cases
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    You will find out what are you are assigned to usually on the first or second day since they are planning your arrival to have all your books ready on your first day. First couple of days will have a lot of meet and greets with different staff, managers, union officials, etc. As to training:

    -ZNY stage II training when you first arrive is 4-6 weeks depending on the class size and how quickly you get everything done. You need to do all their map tests, identifier tests, etc.......
    -Usually afterwards you certify on the A position in your area which doesnt take long usually since this position isn't really used as in the past with the URET.
    -Once you finish that you'll sit on the floor working the A's and monitoring until you get a Radar School or ATOP/Ocean 21 School(Ocean Areas Only).

    -ATOP/Ocean 21 School lasts about 3-6 months depending on class size.
    -Radar "H" School (Which now is split like other centers) is 3 weeks classroom and about 2.5 months in the DYSIM lab.

    After you finish either school you will certify on your Ocean sectors or H positions in the entire area before being slotted to return to Radar "R" School. "R" School is about 3 Weeks classroom with another 2.5 months in the DYSIM lab. Afterwards you will certify on all your R positions and reach CPC.

    Ocean Area trainees (Areas E and F) have to go to all three schools since these two areas have both radar and ATOP/Ocean 21 Nonradar sectors within them. Domestic Side Trainees only need the H and R schools.

    Remember the times can change based on the class size for each school. As well, the wait time and availability of classes and OJT depends the and progression of other trainees in your area. If there are lots of trainees in your area, the senior trainees have "First dibs" on any OJT or class they are waiting for before you would get it. Hope this gives you a rough estimate and answers your question.

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    NY Air Traffic Out of Control: Whistleblower - NYPOST.com

    New York air-traffic controllers endanger passengers by working just three hours per shift and acting like slackers -- chatting, texting and even watching movies when they should be monitoring planes, The Post has learned. At times, so few are at their posts that a single controller must do the job of two or three and track 15 aircraft simultaneously, which is too many, according to allegations filed by a supervisor.
    Evan Seeley, a frontline manager at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center in Ronkonkoma, LI, fired off complaints last month to the Federal Aviation Administration and the Office of Special Counsel, a federal agency that probes whistleblower claims. The Post obtained copies.



    CLICK HERE TO SEE HOW A COLLISION ALMOST OCCURRED
    Seeley raised his concerns on Jan. 17, three days before controllers allowed an American Airlines jet to nearly collide with two military cargo planes over the Atlantic.
    The Boeing 777 passenger plane came within 200 vertical feet and 2,000 lateral feet of the behemoth carriers -- a distance described as "dangerously close" by an airline-safety insider -- in an incident not revealed to the public until Friday, after The Post asked about it. The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating.
    Sources familiar with the probe point to careless communication between controllers in giving instructions to the American fight, which was put on a crash course with the military planes. The error has been classified as a "Category A" error, the most serious type of near-miss.
    Seeley's OSC filings allege that union controllers operate with little oversight at the center, which coordinates high-altitude flights through the Northeast, including from JFK, La Guardia and Newark airports, and is best known for having handled the hijacked 9/11 planes.
    Instead of focusing on their monitors, some of the barely supervised controllers socialize, gaze at photos on their phones and sit with their feet up on desks, claims Seeley, 26. A few play movies or solitaire on their laptops, despite FAA rules banning electronic devices.
    On-duty controllers also are allowed to disappear for breaks that can last more than an hour, the whistleblower alleges, and workers pressured him to "close positions" -- or shut down posts -- so they could lollygag.
    "Closing positions could potentially create dangerous air-traffic situations where one controller was working too many aircraft," Seeley's OSC complaint states. "Most controllers were working just three hours out of an eight-hour shift."
    Diligent controllers typically put in two hours at a time and take 20-minute breaks and 35 minutes for meals -- spending 6½ hours on duty each shift, said veterans of the job.
    Three traffic-control staffers told The Post that Seeley's claims were accurate. "It's the tip of the iceberg," said one.
    Asked about his complaints, Seeley issued a written statement: "Once OSC completes its investigation, New York Center will be forced to address serious issues that have gone unchecked for some time. A pattern of ignoring rules and policy creates a dangerous standard."
    The charges come after an embarrassing air-traffic flub last year, when JFK controller Glenn Duffy let his kids give instructions to pilots, and a deadly mistake in 2009, when Teterboro's Carl Turner joked on the phone with his girlfriend as a small plane slammed into a tourist helicopter, killing nine.
    Seeley, a five-year veteran who came to New York from Fort Worth last February, tried to reform the culture -- and was met with resistance, then retaliation, his complaints say.
    In January, after getting a glowing year-end performance review, Seeley was abruptly demoted -- payback, he says, for trying to change the system.
    ‘This is gonna be close’
    The near-miss between the planes began when one Long Island air-traffic controller failed to hear instructions asking him to stop the passenger plane at 20,000 feet, according to sources familiar with a probe of the incident. The transcript:
    AA controller: “What did you want with that American?”
    C-17 controller: “I wanted you to stop him at 20. Stop him at 21.”
    The C-17 controller tells his own radar man to stop the military planes at 22,000 feet — but the AA controller thinks the direction is for him, and orders Flight 951 to that altitude, putting the planes on a crash course.
    C-17 controller: “I said stop the American at 21!”
    Automatic alarm inside the AA cockpit: “DESCEND, DESCEND, DESCEND!”
    AA pilot: “OK, we’re following a descent.”
    AA controller: “Do you have that traffic in sight?!”
    AA pilot: “No, we do not!”
    C-17 pilot: “This is gonna be close.”
    AA pilot: “That was not good.”
    brad.hamilton@nypost.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by yehyehiknow View Post
    NY Air Traffic Out of Control: Whistleblower - NYPOST.com

    New York air-traffic controllers endanger passengers by working just three hours per shift and acting like slackers -- chatting, texting and even watching movies when they should be monitoring planes, The Post has learned. At times, so few are at their posts that a single controller must do the job of two or three and track 15 aircraft simultaneously, which is too many, according to allegations filed by a supervisor.
    Evan Seeley, a frontline manager at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center in Ronkonkoma, LI, fired off complaints last month to the Federal Aviation Administration and the Office of Special Counsel, a federal agency that probes whistleblower claims. The Post obtained copies.

    This is the reason why some of these controllers need to lose their jobs. Applicants like me are hungry to become an Air Traffic Controller. It's amazing how currrent controllers are playing games at their job, while applicants are waiting almost 2 years for a FOL. It's not fair.


    CLICK HERE TO SEE HOW A COLLISION ALMOST OCCURRED
    Seeley raised his concerns on Jan. 17, three days before controllers allowed an American Airlines jet to nearly collide with two military cargo planes over the Atlantic.
    The Boeing 777 passenger plane came within 200 vertical feet and 2,000 lateral feet of the behemoth carriers -- a distance described as "dangerously close" by an airline-safety insider -- in an incident not revealed to the public until Friday, after The Post asked about it. The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating.
    Sources familiar with the probe point to careless communication between controllers in giving instructions to the American fight, which was put on a crash course with the military planes. The error has been classified as a "Category A" error, the most serious type of near-miss.
    Seeley's OSC filings allege that union controllers operate with little oversight at the center, which coordinates high-altitude flights through the Northeast, including from JFK, La Guardia and Newark airports, and is best known for having handled the hijacked 9/11 planes.
    Instead of focusing on their monitors, some of the barely supervised controllers socialize, gaze at photos on their phones and sit with their feet up on desks, claims Seeley, 26. A few play movies or solitaire on their laptops, despite FAA rules banning electronic devices.
    On-duty controllers also are allowed to disappear for breaks that can last more than an hour, the whistleblower alleges, and workers pressured him to "close positions" -- or shut down posts -- so they could lollygag.
    "Closing positions could potentially create dangerous air-traffic situations where one controller was working too many aircraft," Seeley's OSC complaint states. "Most controllers were working just three hours out of an eight-hour shift."
    Diligent controllers typically put in two hours at a time and take 20-minute breaks and 35 minutes for meals -- spending 6½ hours on duty each shift, said veterans of the job.
    Three traffic-control staffers told The Post that Seeley's claims were accurate. "It's the tip of the iceberg," said one.
    Asked about his complaints, Seeley issued a written statement: "Once OSC completes its investigation, New York Center will be forced to address serious issues that have gone unchecked for some time. A pattern of ignoring rules and policy creates a dangerous standard."
    The charges come after an embarrassing air-traffic flub last year, when JFK controller Glenn Duffy let his kids give instructions to pilots, and a deadly mistake in 2009, when Teterboro's Carl Turner joked on the phone with his girlfriend as a small plane slammed into a tourist helicopter, killing nine.
    Seeley, a five-year veteran who came to New York from Fort Worth last February, tried to reform the culture -- and was met with resistance, then retaliation, his complaints say.
    In January, after getting a glowing year-end performance review, Seeley was abruptly demoted -- payback, he says, for trying to change the system.
    ‘This is gonna be close’
    The near-miss between the planes began when one Long Island air-traffic controller failed to hear instructions asking him to stop the passenger plane at 20,000 feet, according to sources familiar with a probe of the incident. The transcript:
    AA controller: “What did you want with that American?”
    C-17 controller: “I wanted you to stop him at 20. Stop him at 21.”
    The C-17 controller tells his own radar man to stop the military planes at 22,000 feet — but the AA controller thinks the direction is for him, and orders Flight 951 to that altitude, putting the planes on a crash course.
    C-17 controller: “I said stop the American at 21!”
    Automatic alarm inside the AA cockpit: “DESCEND, DESCEND, DESCEND!”
    AA pilot: “OK, we’re following a descent.”
    AA controller: “Do you have that traffic in sight?!”
    AA pilot: “No, we do not!”
    C-17 pilot: “This is gonna be close.”
    AA pilot: “That was not good.”
    brad.hamilton@nypost.com

    This incident supports my opinion on why some of these controllers need to lose their jobs. Applicants like me are hungry to become Air Traffic Controllers. It's amazing how currrent controllers are playing games at their job, while applicants are waiting almost 2 years for a FOL. It's not fair.

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