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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    It's a good place to work. THe building itself is kinda in the middle of nowhere, I drive through farmland to get here. I know of at least 5 washouts in the past year.

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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    Did they let them go completely? Or re-assign them?

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    It depends on how far through training they got. I believe the contract states what level facility you will be offered according to how many D or R sides you are certified on. For people that don't make it through the classroom or fail on the floor with no positions they have been offering a position at Flight Data, which is in the building.

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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    Quote Originally Posted by Wetworth View Post
    It's a good place to work. THe building itself is kinda in the middle of nowhere, I drive through farmland to get here. I know of at least 5 washouts in the past year.
    Thanks for replying Wetworth have you been there for a while and what would you say is the biggest reason for those washouts?

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    What would you like to know about Cleveland Center? I just retired from there in August 2010. I actively worked traffic from 1986 til 2005 and then was a supervisor from 2005 - 2010. I can answer SnD's questions. 1. It's a great place to work. You will be assigned to the training department to learn airspace and general ATC information for the first 2-3 months you are there. You will be assigned to an area and spend a brief time in that area to learn about equipment and more specific ATC information that applies to your area. You will then be re-assigned back to the training department to learn specific job functions that pertain to the Radar Associate position ( the controller who helps the radar controller position, but doesn't actually talk to aircraft). After about 6 weeks in both classroom and DYSIM (computer symulated traffic lab) you go back to the floor for actual radar associate position training. Most areas have 6 Radar associate positions and training to complete certification on all these positions takes from 2-5 months. When completed, you will be assigned to the training department for training for your radar position. Again, 6 weeks of classroom and DYSIM training. When completed, back to the area for radar training. (usually 6 positions - takes from 8 months to 15 months to complete). All portions of training are pass/fail. If you fail to complete any successfully, you can be washed out. If there are positions at other facilities of lesser traffic volume available and you are recommended by management you may be offered another position. If you have no position certifications or are a probationary employee (less than 1 year in the FAA) you may be terminated. The jobs in Flight data that were offered to 2 training failures were unique and probably will not be available. You must know airspace/ATC rules and agreements between other facilities and within your own facility/ and be able to apply this information in an efficient and timely manner. Most training failures are because the developmental did not learn the information sufficiently, or could not apply learned information in a correct and timely manner. The training process is good and the information is learnable by the majority of developmental controllers. The vast majority of developmentals get fully certified within 3 years of their arrival. If you have any other questions please feel free to ask...

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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    That is a wealth of information. I'll take some time to digest it and if I have any more questions I'll reply here. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

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    Thanks for all of that information. I am VRA and waiting for a class date, got redirected to ZOB this past fall and I am working for the DOD in a radar facility while I am waiting. My current job is term so I hope the wait is not too long, but it sounds like great place to work.

    For those of you worried about the wash outs, dont fret, you should not already be worried about washing out or you prob wont make it. This job is just as much about confidence as it is intelligence. If you work hard you will prob be fine. I train 3 levels on a constant basis, and the ones who take it a day at a time are the ones that usually make it.

    I am from MO originally, and I am curious where are the good places to live in that part of Ohio? I have a family, 2 kids and a wife.

    Thanks

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    I grew up in Elyria and it was a nice place to live. I haven't lived there in 10 years but i'm sure Bill will get on here and have some ideas of where to live.

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    There are many good places to live. If you like the city, Lakewood and North Olmsted are two Cleveland suburbs that are within 30 minutes of the center. If you like a little less populated areas, Avon Lake, Avon, Amherst, Elyria, Grafton,Lorain, Vermilion, and LaGrange all have nice subdivisions that are worth looking at and are within 20 minutes of the center. There are many rural communities also. Probably the best thing is to get a real estate agent or someone at the center to show you around once you get here.. Plenty of apartments / houses to rent until you get settled. I think you'll find the people at the center more than willing to help you if you just ask.. Go to the NATCA office and talk to the union people there. They are always very helpful. I know I wasn't very specific, but housing is not to much of an issue if you look around a bit. Something to think about when looking for a place to live...snow in the winter. Many people live much further than 30 minutes from ZOB, but when winter hits hard, and ice and snow are issues, 30 minutes turns into 1-2 hours...

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    Thanks for the reply, I looked on line at some real estate sites on the places you mentioned, it looks like a lot of nice places to live and reasonable prices. I plan on asking for help when I get there, hopefully sometime next year. Anyway, I am really excited, it will be a change compared to the beach weather I am used to now.


    Again thanks for the info, and good advice about the winters..

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    Does anyone who works at ZOB have any insight into hwo the hiring looks for the next fiscal year, I am VRA and having been waiting with a TOL since March 09.

    Thanks

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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    Quote Originally Posted by STLATCER View Post
    Does anyone who works at ZOB have any insight into hwo the hiring looks for the next fiscal year, I am VRA and having been waiting with a TOL since March 09.

    Thanks
    We've been told that we're to hire 28 people in fiscal '12 and 40 in '13. Of 41 CPC's in my area (to begin this calendar year), I count 14 eligible to retire. One of those has already left for TMU and will most likely never return. Two more are retiring as soon as they're eligible; one this May and the other in less than a year. Aside from those, another CPC is definitely heading to ZDV this Fall and yet another bucking for a promotion to FLM. Three more CPC's will become eligible to retire (their plans uncertain) before our newest developmental is checked out. In addition to the above numbers, we have 6 developmentals. One is brand new, two have their D-sides and are waiting on a radar class date, and three are in various stages of radar training and struggling a bit.

    Our area NATCA rep just said the other day that the current group of students in Oklahoma City are the last "off-the-street" hires, and subsequent hires will come from the CTI lists. I'm not sure how that affects VRA selection. Thank you for your service.

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    Great info from Mr. Nunn. He is a very friendly, reliable, and helpful source. There are as many opinions (good and bad) about ZOB and the surrounding area as there are controllers at the center. The facility is typical '60's ARTCC floorplan. Our "cafeteria"/break area is huge, well lit, and with a wall of windows. There are two flat screen TV's with cable and some HD capability. Our kitchen people just pulled out after 15+ years but that food was all over-priced despite its convenience. A new company has provided a wall of vending machines and microwaves. A filtered ice/water (free) machine is hooked up. There are 5? full-size refrigerator/freezers for folks to store daily and/or long term (salad dressing, pop, frozen meals, etc.) items. Supposedly, they are all cleaned and emptied the last Saturday of every month. There are numerous fast food and stand alone restaurants in Oberlin and we are allowed to leave the facility on a break to grab to-go/carry-out.

    Another break area is well lit and near employee lockers with another wall of windows, flat screen TV with DIRECTV, and about eight couches in theater arrangement. Adjacently is an area with room for about 10 or so laptops with NATCA-provided internet (first come, first served). There is also NATCA-provided Wi-Fi for the tablet folks. A NATCA-only break room in this same general area has a couple more flat screens, Xbox, and desktop computers (with internet access). The back of the control room has a briefing room that has been converted to a "fatigue mitigation" area with about ten couches.

    The wellness center in the basement is completely employee funded/maintained and dues are only $5/month. There is a cardio area with two treadmills, two elipticals, one Stairmaster, one LifeCycle, a Schwinn Airdyne, and flat screen with DIRECTV. Adjacently (open area, still able to view/hear TV) are some NASA donated Nautilus equipment (part of our original beginnings), flat bench, decline bench, incline bench, squat rack, Smith machine, leg press, dumbbell set, pull-up/dip stand, and integrated cable machines. A couple nasty showers are available in the men's room across the hall, as well as three more in the men's room on the main level just outside the control room and break areas. I've not used it or even ventured back to look at it, but there is a basketball goal and golf net behind the main building, for Wellness Center members only.

    Schedules and leave are bid on by seniority. Our area breaks the year up into trimesters to allow diversity with schedule picks. Schedules vary from the coveted Sunday-Wednesday 10-hour AWS (1-11, 11-9, 8-6, 6:45-4:45) to the Tu/W RDO (regular day off) mid line (3-11, 1-9, 7-3, 6-2, 10:30pm-6:30am). Shift adjustments, swapping days off to save leave, and trades with other controllers are usually available.

    While some may frown the the Cleveland night life isn't on par with Miami or L.A., there are many activities available for all interests. Do your own sleuthing via Bing or Google regarding outdoor activities, metroparks, the arts, dining etc. Choices abound.

    Cost of living (at least as far as housing) can run the gamut. Westside Cleveland suburbs can offer seven figure housing with a professional athlete as your neighbor. New housing developments, older housing developments, apartments, condos, and "nice" trailer parks can all be found within a 10 mile radius of Oberlin. Oberlin itself is home of the very liberal Oberlin College. There are areas of student housing, faculty housing, public housing, older residential neighborhoods, rural acreage less than 5 miles from ZOB, and brand new condos downtown within walking distance of the center. Again, Bing or Google satellite views can provide a wealth of info.

    Controllers know a little bit about carry-out food
    Check out The Feve | In Oberlin, OH Lorenzo's Pizzeria & Restaurant Chinese food, Tooo Chinoise Oberlin, OH Home The Slow Train Cafe | Oberlin, OH Magpie Pizza ziggyspubandrestaurant The Brew Kettle, Brew On Premise Strongsville Ohio Melt Bar and Grilled | and the list could go on and on.

    I think the ZOB locale is a great place to work, live, and raise a family.
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    Thanks for all the great info zob! Does anyone know how many openings there are for the TMC posting that just closed?

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    I just got transferred to ZOB. Have lived in NE Ohio all my life so it was a great relief being able to get in. Have all my clearances completed, just waiting for the OKC date.

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    Nice...home is where the heart is. Congrats!

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    Thanks alot bud, couldn't have said that better myself. Are you in a facility?

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    Re: Cleveland Center - ZOB

    Not yet. Beaver Co. August '09 grad, been waiting 6 panels and almost 3 years now. I'd LOVE ZOB, but I'd go anywhere right now. lol

    Where'd you get redirected from?

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    ZDC. Graduated CTI May 2011. Hired on the November 2011 panel.

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    Hello All! Does anyone know anything about the supposed hirings in May and July of this year (2012)? I know a couple people that work there and the rumor was that there is a small amount being picked up in May, then a substantially larger one in July.... I graduate CTI next month, and there are people from my school that graduated in December 2011 and are already scheduled for OKC. Hopefully this means the process is getting quicker - I am walking the line on age!!!!!

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