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    I'm not sure a waiver would solve that. Maybe it would. Doesn't seem like N90 and C90 are exactly getting the creme of the crop bidding there and essentially any CPC in the FAA is elegible to go.

    It's so dumb that people put paperwork in somewhere and then decline the offer, what a waste of everyone's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    I'm not sure a waiver would solve that. Maybe it would. Doesn't seem like N90 and C90 are exactly getting the creme of the crop bidding there and essentially any CPC in the FAA is elegible to go.

    It's so dumb that people put paperwork in somewhere and then decline the offer, what a waste of everyone's time.
    For Chicago and especially New York, the agency is going to have to offer HUGE financial incentives to go to them.

    Those individuals were probably trying to play the ERR lottery and they got called on their bets when A80 "selected" them.

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    Move N90 off LI and I bet they wouldn't have a problem getting people to come here

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB View Post
    The suggestion we had for Paul and Trish was to make a waiver for anyone wanting to move up to a top 10 critically staffed facility (N90, C90, A80, MIA, etc) and grant them a six month release date from wherever they currently are working.
    How'd that go? I'd eat that up

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaRomeo View Post
    How'd that go? I'd eat that up
    We (mainly I) called the NCEPT a colossal failure and it wasn't what we should be supporting as union because it prohibited movements to only those available, reduced potential for paid moves, etc. The response I received contained nine expletives and we were told, "...if you really want to move, you shouldn't need move money..." So I suggested a modified version which allowed priority releases to the top ten most critically staffed facilities. They response to that was, "...we will take it under advisement..."

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    This NCEPT was bull-hockey from the start. Our facility numbers are 9-11. According to the new rules, we are at 100% staffing, but we can't let anyone go. In practical terms, our numbers SHOULD be 10-13, but thats another topic for another day. At least under the old policy, it would force the FAA to bring another controller to fill the ranks of those that left, steady in and out. Now that this policy is in effect, who the frick knows when I'll be able to bail. Once again, NATCA is giving the bigger facilities everything they need while leaving thes rest of us out in the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL_CTI View Post
    This NCEPT was bull-hockey from the start. Our facility numbers are 9-11. According to the new rules, we are at 100% staffing, but we can't let anyone go. In practical terms, our numbers SHOULD be 10-13, but thats another topic for another day. At least under the old policy, it would force the FAA to bring another controller to fill the ranks of those that left, steady in and out. Now that this policy is in effect, who the frick knows when I'll be able to bail. Once again, NATCA is giving the bigger facilities everything they need while leaving thes rest of us out in the cold.
    have you not read any of the posts from people at bigger facilities? We at the bigger facilities don't have close to what we need. How many 6 day weeks are you required to work every year? 52 here. How many 10 hour days are you scheduled for? At least 2 a week here, plus hold overs and call ins. After this week I'll have cracked 500 hours of OT for this year and there's still 2 1/2 months left in the year. How many trainees have to certify for you to have enough for someone to leave? 1? 2? Try about 100 here. How much spot leave do you get to take? None here. You better have your vacations planned out a year in advance. Does it suck you're stuck there a few more years? Sure it does, and I sympathize. But is at the big facilities are stuck for life and probably going to be doing these 50-60 hour weeks the majority of our careers, so stop asking for a pity party and stop blaming the big facilities for your misfortune. You think you're out in the cold now? The big facilities have been there for years now.

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    We should all be blaming NATCA for signing this pile of shit and demand it to be changed! I was told size doesn't matter. What is it going to take for them to have an open discussion to get this thing changed? It seems all the Fac reps have been instructed to not talk about this MOU. Does anyone know of a Fac rep fighting this MOU?

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    My ATM recently mentioned that swap requests now have to go through the NCEPT board. So if I was to put in a swap now, it is on hold until they meet again in January. Is this the same thing you guys are hearing? I know I am subject to the new national release policy but that was as far as I thought the new crap affected swaps. I am wanting to put in paperwork soon and be moved on by January. Now it looks like April if that is the case. I am hoping they don't change the policy and require matching release dates. That would push me back a year probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    have you not read any of the posts from people at bigger facilities? We at the bigger facilities don't have close to what we need. How many 6 day weeks are you required to work every year? 52 here. How many 10 hour days are you scheduled for? At least 2 a week here, plus hold overs and call ins. After this week I'll have cracked 500 hours of OT for this year and there's still 2 1/2 months left in the year. How many trainees have to certify for you to have enough for someone to leave? 1? 2? Try about 100 here. How much spot leave do you get to take? None here. You better have your vacations planned out a year in advance. Does it suck you're stuck there a few more years? Sure it does, and I sympathize. But is at the big facilities are stuck for life and probably going to be doing these 50-60 hour weeks the majority of our careers, so stop asking for a pity party and stop blaming the big facilities for your misfortune. You think you're out in the cold now? The big facilities have been there for years now.
    How do you have a life? My time with my family is way more important than money. Can they force you to work OT? Would they really discipline you for sickening out on scheduled OT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoNovember View Post
    How do you have a life? My time with my family is way more important than money. Can they force you to work OT? Would they really discipline you for sickening out on scheduled OT?

    Thats why no one here as any sick time left lol

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    Time to conveniently lose your medical for a month!

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    I will say I've been asking for OT cause I just got married, bought a house, and am going through the immigration process for my wife so I needed the money. I have among the highest amount of ot in the sector. But even at that, the average is 300-400 hours of OT for my sector. Don't know what it is in other sectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoNovember View Post
    Don't waste your money on a lawyer for immigration process! It's so easy, I did it with my wife and it's about 5 forms and 2 interviews. Having a lawyer for this makes you look guilty, lol. Good luck and congrats! What country?
    unfortunately already got the lawyer. Really regret that lol. The whole time I'm sitting there like I could have filled out that form for free. =\. Before we paid them they were like "she'll have her work and travel permit in 3-4 months." Than we paid them and they say "she'll have her work and travel permits in 6-8 months." My wife is from Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    have you not read any of the posts from people at bigger facilities? We at the bigger facilities don't have close to what we need. How many 6 day weeks are you required to work every year? 52 here. How many 10 hour days are you scheduled for? At least 2 a week here, plus hold overs and call ins. After this week I'll have cracked 500 hours of OT for this year and there's still 2 1/2 months left in the year. How many trainees have to certify for you to have enough for someone to leave? 1? 2? Try about 100 here. How much spot leave do you get to take? None here. You better have your vacations planned out a year in advance. Does it suck you're stuck there a few more years? Sure it does, and I sympathize. But is at the big facilities are stuck for life and probably going to be doing these 50-60 hour weeks the majority of our careers, so stop asking for a pity party and stop blaming the big facilities for your misfortune. You think you're out in the cold now? The big facilities have been there for years now.
    Just curious but do you know how many applicants there have been to the N90 bid? I'd be very interested to know the number. I'd wager it's in the hundreds but you guys only seem to want people from level 10+ approach facilities. I realize that your failure rate is
    high for people from low levels (well, it's high for everyone there) but if you think you're going to get people applying from other level 10+'s (some of the most sought-after, cushy, easy to staff facilities in the country) to move to the expensive mess that is N90 you're out of your mind. You're not going to get them for $27k bonus, you're not going to get them for $100k either.

    I've applied to your bid. I'm a good controller. I'm young, have minimal obligations outside of work, and would absolutely love extra cash from lots of OT. I'd take any set of RDO's available and don't mind working the less desirable shifts. I know it sounds cocky and I'm sorry for sounding like that but I would certify at N90.

    I have friends from other low levels who have also applied. I'm not the least bit unique in my willingness to work there. You guys will not give us the time of day. You guys don't like taking people off the street, you don't like taking them from lower level FAA facilities, and you don't like taking people without a radar ticket. You then have the gall to constantly complain about how your staffing is so bad. That even though this MOU makes life suck for us, it doesn't even to compare to the horrible gauntlet you have to endure every working day for the rest of your career.

    Except, given the chance to swap facilities with me and come to my little tower and let me go to N90, I'm betting you would pass. I'd love to come to where you are but I bet you wouldn't come to where I am. All that and you still believe you guys have it worse off.

    Ask your facrep or HR person how many pending applications there are to your bid. The answer may surprise you.

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    I think it's level 8+ radar for the bid, but I'm not sure. I have no idea how many apply compared to how many are accepted. And yes I would pass, I've never worked in a tower and I'd like to keep it that way lol but we have a husband and wife who have been trying to get to Bimington (level 5) for years now but haven't been able to. And I'm not saying we have it worse off. I am saying that people need to stop blaming this MOU on N90 or the other big low staffed facilities and that "we always get what we want" or are coddled by the agency, cause we're getting effed just as badly as y'all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogier6 View Post
    Time to conveniently lose your medical for a month!
    What happens if you don't have a month of sick leave (160 hours) to cover your absence and/or they don't have other duties like data for you to do when you're medically disqualified?

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    They have let people I know in this situation use annual leave once sick leave is exhausted.

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    You can work FD here if you lose your medical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    unfortunately already got the lawyer. Really regret that lol. The whole time I'm sitting there like I could have filled out that form for free. =\. Before we paid them they were like "she'll have her work and travel permit in 3-4 months." Than we paid them and they say "she'll have her work and travel permits in 6-8 months." My wife is from Turkey.
    I hope you sign a pre and postnatal agreement! ATC have to pay out the ass if they get divorced, crazy money!!!

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