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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    You can work FD here if you lose your medical.
    We have too many FD only individuals at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB View Post
    We have too many FD only individuals at the moment.
    You can never have enough FD only people

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomeoNovember View Post
    I hope you sign a pre and postnatal agreement! ATC have to pay out the ass if they get divorced, crazy money!!!
    I believe you mean "prenuptial," unless you think that baby is gonna take all your money. In which case hell ya throw that shit in the womb with a Bic and make the little f*cker sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    I believe you mean "prenuptial," unless you think that baby is gonna take all your money. In which case hell ya throw that shit in the womb with a Bic and make the little f*cker sign.
    lmao, this is literally the funniest thing I've ever read on here.

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ATC123454321 View Post
    lmao, this is literally the funniest thing I've ever read on here.
    If internet were a full-time job, I'd be the Genghis Khan of shitposting

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    I believe you mean "prenuptial," unless you think that baby is gonna take all your money. In which case hell ya throw that shit in the womb with a Bic and make the little f*cker sign.
    That is funny shit! I'm going to roll with my original post, wow,lol!!!

    This training has me going crazy! I found out working the sims today, I have a severe case of dyslexia.
    Last edited by RomeoNovember; 10-01-2016 at 01:12 AM.

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    You can never have enough FD only people

    Quoted for emphasis!

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

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    Thats why no one here as any sick time left lol

    Negative balance in many cases!

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    You can never have enough FD only people
    Kind of like you can never have too many Islip controllers?!? ��

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by thirtythree View Post
    Just curious but do you know how many applicants there have been to the N90 bid? I'd be very interested to know the number. I'd wager it's in the hundreds but you guys only seem to want people from level 10+ approach facilities. I realize that your failure rate is
    high for people from low levels (well, it's high for everyone there) but if you think you're going to get people applying from other level 10+'s (some of the most sought-after, cushy, easy to staff facilities in the country) to move to the expensive mess that is N90 you're out of your mind. You're not going to get them for $27k bonus, you're not going to get them for $100k either.

    I've applied to your bid. I'm a good controller. I'm young, have minimal obligations outside of work, and would absolutely love extra cash from lots of OT. I'd take any set of RDO's available and don't mind working the less desirable shifts. I know it sounds cocky and I'm sorry for sounding like that but I would certify at N90.

    I have friends from other low levels who have also applied. I'm not the least bit unique in my willingness to work there. You guys will not give us the time of day. You guys don't like taking people off the street, you don't like taking them from lower level FAA facilities, and you don't like taking people without a radar ticket. You then have the gall to constantly complain about how your staffing is so bad. That even though this MOU makes life suck for us, it doesn't even to compare to the horrible gauntlet you have to endure every working day for the rest of your career.

    Except, given the chance to swap facilities with me and come to my little tower and let me go to N90, I'm betting you would pass. I'd love to come to where you are but I bet you wouldn't come to where I am. All that and you still believe you guys have it worse off.

    Ask your facrep or HR person how many pending applications there are to your bid. The answer may surprise you.

    Ive applied for c90 and they won't give me a look either. Lvl 5up/down. Pretty positive I could make it there. Oh well, their loss. I know the c90 bid has a quality ranking factor. If your lvl 8 or above your well qualified, radar from below that your just qualified. I don't believe the n90 bid has anything on it, but they might be taking that in to consideration still. I assumed that if you applied to n90 you would be picked up no questions asked. Apparently not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travisj90 View Post
    I don't believe the n90 bid has anything on it, but they might be taking that in to consideration still.
    I applied to both the C90 and N90 bid and they both ask about level 8 or better radar experience on the application, just differently. If I remember right, the C90 bid is simply yes or no but the N90 bid had five or six possible answers. I can't remember what they all were but I fell under the one that said something like, "I have no level 8+ radar experience or have received an unsatisfactory performance rating from my supervisor at a level 8+ radar facility." I only have FSS and VFR tower experience, so I am not particularly expecting to get picked up nor do I feel offended if I don't. As of today the C90 bid shows referred and the N90 bid received. The C90 bid updated a little while back, so I'm guessing selections have already been made.

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    I mean this in the nicest way but are you all insane?!? You want to go to C90/N90 with little to no radar experience? Of course they aren't impressed by your level five up/down. They work more planes in a session than you do in a day. Statically speaking you aren't worth their time of day. You MAY be that one low level controller who could certify but chances are a lot better you can't and they don't have five years to find out. Yes, they are severely understaffed but that doesn't mean they should waste time and training opportunities on projects when perhaps someone with actual radar experience will apply and be successful in half the time.

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    I think the other problem is places like c90/n90 have limited resources to train. So if they can only train X people, they are going to take the people statistically most likely to certify. And while you individually might have what it takes, you as a number in the machine, do not.

    Now if no one applied, or no one was in the pipeline, and resources weren't being used to train anyone, then of course they should give you a shot.

    Maybe this is why they do need a screen again, to give people a chance who would otherwise not get one. On the other hand,did the screens work before?

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Purplelobj View Post
    Yes, they are severely understaffed but that doesn't mean they should waste time and training opportunities on projects when perhaps someone with actual radar experience will apply and be successful in half the time.
    Yeah, perhaps, but where are these people? They sure aren't flooding these two facilities.

    For what it's worth to you guys trying to go, you should try visiting these places and meeting people if you haven't already. I don't know about N90, but C90 definitely picks up low level guys. The common trend seems to be they are from nearby facilities or they know someone. I'm not sure about zero radar experience but I know there are people from several different 6 up/downs in training there and doing well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    For what it's worth to you guys trying to go, you should try visiting these places and meeting people if you haven't already.
    That's great advice. Right now I'm overseas so visiting is a little difficult. I have family on Long Island and in Chicago so it'll be more possible once I get back, and I'll probably be visiting people anyways. No radar experience might be a deal breaker for me. I'm trying to get radar experience through the Air Force though so we'll see if that works out.

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    Yeah, perhaps, but where are these people? They sure aren't flooding these two facilities.

    For what it's worth to you guys trying to go, you should try visiting these places and meeting people if you haven't already. I don't know about N90, but C90 definitely picks up low level guys. The common trend seems to be they are from nearby facilities or they know someone. I'm not sure about zero radar experience but I know there are people from several different 6 up/downs in training there and doing well.
    Actually for the past year we've had a pretty steady influx of trainees. Nothing crazy but maybe around 8 per sector per year. Unfortunately a lot of these are center transfers, and center people don't do well here (at least not in my sector). Nothing against them, it's just vastly different than what they're used too. The 8-10 who withdrew over the past year due to the err MOU didn't help either. We just got the first couple direct to facility prior experience hires so hopefully that helps as well.

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    Yeah I can't see ever working at a center. Such a night and day difference. Hopefully you guys find some success with those guys though. I really feel like there is a lot of untapped potential at the lower level facilities. I started at a 6 up/down and worked with a lot of really smart people. A screen or even an interview process could go a long way in picking out the best candidates in my opinion.

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    Re: ERR MOU Change Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    Yeah I can't see ever working at a center. Such a night and day difference. Hopefully you guys find some success with those guys though. I really feel like there is a lot of untapped potential at the lower level facilities. I started at a 6 up/down and worked with a lot of really smart people. A screen or even an interview process could go a long way in picking out the best candidates in my opinion.
    What? You mean those controllers aren't as worthless as some make them out to be? Say it ain't so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimShady View Post
    Yeah I can't see ever working at a center. Such a night and day difference. Hopefully you guys find some success with those guys though. I really feel like there is a lot of untapped potential at the lower level facilities. I started at a 6 up/down and worked with a lot of really smart people. A screen or even an interview process could go a long way in picking out the best candidates in my opinion.
    same. I don't have a doubt I would do fine in any tracon in the country, but watch my confidence widdle away at a center or a tower. I've never worked at either one and at this point have no desire to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    The 8-10 who withdrew over the past year due to the err MOU didn't help either.
    They actually just up and stopped their training when that MOU came out? damn

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