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    Boeing VS Airbus...

    I had mentioned to a friend that I would think it would be awesome to fly in an A380 one day...to which he replied he will never fly in anything that is put together with composite and spit....

    ok so will the experienced pilots tell me what thats about? do you guys feel that there is a substantial difference in the manufacturing and general performance of these two companies a/c? lets compare the A380 to the 787 dreamliner for an example, these 2 were hyped up against each other a lot, i know both companies ran behind schedule or are running behind schedule with manufacturing and delivery etc....
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    if it aint boeing, it aint going...

    seriously though, airbust does make good stuff...but they sure are ugly
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by irishcarbomb View Post
    if it aint boeing, it aint going...

    seriously though, airbust does make good stuff...but they sure are ugly
    omg can you elaborate!...lol... this what im talking about....
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    one of the main differences between the two is airbus' fly by wire computer deal. every control input goes through a computer and it decides if you should really be doing that. ever see the video of the airbus cruising into the trees? a lot of pilots dont really like the idea of a side stick as apposed to the traditional yoke.

    really i think it just comes down to the pilot's being picky, either ya like'em or ya dont...now would i turn down a job to fly an airbus? not at all, most of the rivalry is just personal preference not really quality of airplane.

    kinda like chevy/ford...you drinking what i'm pouring?

    What's the difference between Boeing pilots and Airbus pilots?

    .....the Boeing boys still have something between their legs.

    Q: Most common phrase heard in the cockpit of Airbus aircraft?

    A: "What's it doing now?"

    not a boeing but still funny
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by irishcarbomb View Post
    one of the main differences between the two is airbus' fly by wire computer deal. every control input goes through a computer and it decides if you should really be doing that. ever see the video of the airbus cruising into the trees? a lot of pilots dont really like the idea of a side stick as apposed to the traditional yoke.

    really i think it just comes down to the pilot's being picky, either ya like'em or ya dont...now would i turn down a job to fly an airbus? not at all, most of the rivalry is just personal preference not really quality of airplane.

    kinda like chevy/ford...you drinking what i'm pouring?

    What's the difference between Boeing pilots and Airbus pilots?

    .....the Boeing boys still have something between their legs.

    Q: Most common phrase heard in the cockpit of Airbus aircraft?

    A: "What's it doing now?"

    not a boeing but still funny

    depends...what you pouring?? anything good..wink wink...

    now is that a bigger liability or risk that the majority of the control components go thru computer systems? if those systems become nonfunctional what happens? you can manually over ride it and manually correct? or have i been watching too many movies late at night?...lmao...
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    all jokes aside, its a good concept and it works. its not dangerous really at all. i really dont know much about the airbus and how it works, but starting with the 777 boeing is also using fly by wire.
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by liandrajade View Post
    I had mentioned to a friend that I would think it would be awesome to fly in an A380 one day...to which he replied he will never fly in anything that is put together with composite and spit....
    Guess he won't be riding the 787 then. Heard that's supposed to be composite as well.
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Apparently he doesn't like the idea of independent airflow systems.

    the 787 is friggin revolutionary. I had the pleasure of speaking to a contractor in charge of structural analysis for the 787 project and he told me a few things that gave me a chubby.

    Composite = Stronger = Lower pressurization @ altitude

    Composite = No aluminum = moisture in the cabin atmosphere
    (it's dry now b/c moisture = oxidation of Al)

    Engine mounts = customizable for multiple engine makes = lower maintenance and overall better all-around sustainability

    Cabin air system = independent of engines (no more kerosene smell during spool up)

    that's the basics I guess.. i'm sure there are tons of other features that'll make it super appealing.

    I'm looking forward to it.
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raydon View Post

    Cabin air system = independent of engines (no more kerosene smell during spool up)
    thats the best part!
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by irishcarbomb View Post
    if it aint boeing, it aint going...

    seriously though, airbust does make good stuff...but they sure are ugly
    the fundamental difference is the approach to automation.

    a boeing will say "here's an issue, how should I correct it"
    an airbus will say "there was an issue, this is how I corrected it"


    over simplification but sums it up.

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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raydon View Post
    (it's dry now b/c moisture = oxidation of Al)
    Not exactly, it's dry because the capacity of air to hold water at -40F is almost nothing.

    Now the reason you state could be the reason they don't run humidifiers but I find that very unlikely.

    I find it unlikely that the cabin air system is independent of the engines as well (but haven't followed the 787 aside from the inability of boeing to get it to market on time) where are they getting air for the pressurization system?
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/biztra...air-usat_x.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by USA Today
    The 787's cabin air system will be fundamentally different.

    Cabin air will be vented directly from the outside through dedicated inlets on each side of the plane's belly and won't pass through the engines, says Mike Sinnett, the 787 project director.

    The 787 system will be driven by electricity generated by the engines. An electrical system makes it easier to humidify the cabin air because it's not starting with the hot, dry air from the jet engines, says physicist Hans Weber of consulting firm Tecop International in San Diego.
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    Furthermore....

    Quote Originally Posted by USA Today
    With the 787 fuselage made of composite material, it's possible to increase the humidity without corroding the airplane over time. On the 787, the manmade composite material is formed and baked into large barrels that are linked together to form the fuselage. The composite material doesn't corrode as aluminum does. As a result, the 787 cabin air system will allow 15% humidity, a more comfortable level than the current 4%
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raydon View Post
    Furthermore....
    wasn't the point.

    You said the cabin enviorment is dry because airplanes are aluminum when the reality of it is the cabin is dry because they haven't humidified it. The two are not completely related.

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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Congrats to boeing for fixing a problem that didn't exist.

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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by scope dope View Post
    wasn't the point.

    You said the cabin enviorment is dry because airplanes are aluminum when the reality of it is the cabin is dry because they haven't humidified it. The two are not completely related.
    True, but it's also supported that composite can sustain higher humidity levels because it won't corrode over time...

    If you really want to pick apart the context of my OP and prove thou art a better analyst and arguer by me guest.

    We're both right
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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raydon View Post
    True, but it's also supported that composite can sustain higher humidity levels because it won't corrode over time...

    If you really want to pick apart the context of my OP and prove thou art a better analyst and arguer by me guest.

    We're both right
    the aircraft spends how long in the air and how long in the ground at humidity levels above say 50%

    3 to one probably? the cabin is dry because it's retarded to waste payload hauling around water and humidifiers to bump the cabin from 4 to 15%

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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    As a passenger, I can say that the 777 is one of the sweetest rides out there, it has very good looks, and the landings are usually always smooth.

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    Re: Boeing VS Airbus...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dream_Land View Post
    As a passenger, I can say that the 777 is one of the sweetest rides out there, it has very good looks, and the landings are usually always smooth.
    Shoot, man, I like riding it just for the seats. I guess it varies by airline, but flying out and back from Korea a couple months ago, the 777 had the 747 beat hands down. That's more comfy than anything I've got at home. Course, most of that stuff's inflatable, but you get my point.
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