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    Quote Originally Posted by meanjoe View Post
    IMHO a 6 yr commitment at your age is a mistake. You're likely to only have one shot on one announcement IF you're lucky and IF things continue on as they are now. A 5 yr commitment is gonna still be tough on you. I'd suggest the navy just to buy yourself another year. DOD jobs are very tough to come by. I'm gonna guess there are only about 1500-2000 dod controllers out there. Good luck to ya. You're in a tough spot.
    That's why I posted this thread. Apparently I can lock my age if i apply and get my tol before 31.the same will work if I apply for the dod. Also that's why I'm considering the navy over the af. As much as I would like to do af I think the navy will be my best option. My best option is to apply when I'm three years in. That is if I can get certifications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnando215 View Post
    That's why I posted this thread. Apparently I can lock my age if i apply and get my tol before 31.the same will work if I apply for the dod. Also that's why I'm considering the navy over the af. As much as I would like to do af I think the navy will be my best option. My best option is to apply when I'm three years in. That is if I can get certifications.
    Not sure why you felt the need to bold, but as others have said, right NOW you can "lock in" your age as long as you get a TOL by 31. But no one knows if this will be the norm next year, let alone 5 years down the line. I did just under 7 years in the Navy as an AC, and enjoyed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevH View Post
    Syracuse has an AOC (Air and Space Operations Center). Controllers there would work in the combat airspace cell, which requires previous experience as controller. Even if they would take you it wouldn't help you with your goal of getting in the FAA since it would be non-qualifying experience. You want to look for openings at air traffic control squadrons (ATCS). These would take non-prior service so long as you are eligible to enlist and an opening exists. Ten squadrons currently exist:

    258th ATCS (Johnstown, PA)
    260th ATCS (Pease, NH)
    235th ATCS (New London, NC)
    297th ATCS (Kapolei, HI)
    259th ATCS (Alexandria, LA)
    241st ATCS (St Joseph, MO)
    245th ATCS (Eastover, SC)
    248th ATCS (Meridian, MS)
    243rd ATCS (Cheyenne, WY)
    270th ATCS (Klamath Falls, OR)
    Don't forget the two Combat Readiness Training Centers (CRTC's) in Alpina, MI and Volk Field, WI

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajmezz View Post
    Part time. Every now and then you will see bids pop up on usajobs for "title 32" positions within these units. Those are full time slots, I believe referred to as AGR, in which you wear the uniform but it's a DOD position so it would lock your age. They typically require 3 years experience though. I had a position offered to me (regular part time guard) with the units in St Joseph's, MO and Johnstown, PA without prior service. You just have to get in contact with the recruiters to get the process started. The recruiter with Johnstown just put my name on a list and contacted me when a spot was available. There was a few month gap from the time I made initial contact to getting an email offering me a spot, so you'll want to have patience. Also, think long and hard about the guard. Once you're done with upgrade training (get facility rated), you switch from full time to your guard part time status so you'll want to have another job lined up until something comes along. I decided against it bc there was no way I could afford my place in MD during upgrade training or flights to MO for my drill weekends. Everyone's situation is obviously different so weigh the pros and cons.

    Those are usually dual-status Technician jobs, you wear the uniform but you are also a civilian and can quit whenever you like. AGR is Active Guard Reserve and is essentially active duty and includes a contracted commitment just like an active duty enlistment.

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    Typing error. I'm at work so I'm writing this as fast as possible. This would basically be a huge gamble. How long did it take you to get certified ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnando215 View Post
    Typing error. I'm at work so I'm writing this as fast as possible. This would basically be a huge gamble. How long did it take you to get certified ?
    It varies everywhere, just like the FAA. Each facility has different needs, complexity, difficulty and instructors. It took me 2 years deployments to get fully qualified in CATCC, but my ship's deployments are about 3-3.5 months, 2 week break, and then another 3-3.5 months out every year. Most carriers don't let E5 and below fully qualify as approach is often reserved for E6 and above and E5s who are top notch. Every shore facility is completely different, though.

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    Thanks for the clarification morajor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morajor13 View Post
    Those are usually dual-status Technician jobs, you wear the uniform but you are also a civilian and can quit whenever you like. AGR is Active Guard Reserve and is essentially active duty and includes a contracted commitment just like an active duty enlistment.
    I should look into it. I preder to do full time active duty. Relocating and finding another job to have lined up sounds extremely difficult and time consuming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnando215 View Post
    I should look into it. I preder to do full time active duty. Relocating and finding another job to have lined up sounds extremely difficult and time consuming
    Either way you'll have to start part time with the guard. If you do Active Duty though you'll get to do ATC, probably not in the FAA though.

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    Quick update, the Air Force offered me air traffic controller. I can ship out April of 2016. I would be 26 years old and I would finish my contract at 32 years old. Called the faa today to verify the above information. They stated that if i get a tol before 31 that it would freeze my age and would put my application on hold. The person that I spoke with was not sure if that would work after my 31st bday. Also she was not sure how long I can keep my tol. She transferred me to someone above her but the person did not answer. Left a voicemail message. Hopefully they can get back to me asap.

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    TOL freezes your age and is good for up to I believe 5 years. I know people who got one with 3 years left on active duty.

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    I spoke with someone from the faa and she found that for veterans, it will hold up to 120 days. Both representatives were not sure if a tol would hold out for so long.

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    I had my TOL for almost 2 years. There are lots of others on here who had it longer.

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    Did you apply for the experience bid or new trainee bid? Currently the experience bid states that you have to be discharged within 120 days.


    https://my.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/424659500

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    I applied and got my TOL in 2012. Got out of the AF in 2014. It said the same thing on my bid. I have friends who got their TOL's on the last prior experience bid who still had 3 years left in the AF. No telling what they will be doing by the time you're ready to apply though if you do the AF.

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    Will any of them be over 31 by the time they get out? The only problem that I really have is that I'll be 32 when I finish.

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    Hey,

    I'm in the exact same boat as you were a year ago. I'm 26 and would be 32 by the end of AF ad.

    I read your thread. Did you ever find out if there was a loophole for TOL or any other way to get into FAA past that age?

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    The FAA recently raised the age limit to 35 if you have at least 52 weeks atc experience (post certification). That's not to say it wouldn't/couldn't change back within the next 6 years as staffing improves though. Hell, it might even be privatized and the age limit not a factor for all we know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesEarlJones View Post
    this is what we in the FAA call.... betting on the come. You are betting there will be an FAA announcement when you are getting out. Don't.

    If you want to be an FAA controller... go to a school that offers a cto and maaaaybe join the guard if thats your bag.. End of story....
    Advanced ATC in Valdosta, GA offers a CTO program if you're willing to shell out the $50k Sallie Mae student loan (they don't allow 9/11 GI Bill).

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