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    Marine Officer ACT

    Hello,

    Im about to graduate with my bachelors in May and i have been thinking of enlisting into the Marines as an Officer. Do you guys know if it is possible for Officers to do ATC in the Marines? I thought I heard somewhere that only enlisted recruits can do actual ATC work. Is this true?

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    True. Marine ATC officers usually only get the most basic qualifications and then get assigned to do office work. Once in awhile an extremely talented individual comes around, breezes through the "baby" quals, and if the timing is right they are allowed to train on major positions. But again, that is a very rare occurrence and largely depends on timing/luck. In the five years I was in on active duty I only saw 2 out of maybe 40 officers I worked with get a local or approach qualification.


    It sucks for those officers who actually wanted to do ATC. But look at the bright side, you'll be an officer making the big bucks watching youtube videos on your computer while us enlisted peons are up in the tower busting our asses and going on dumb ass Indian runs.

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    I've never seen an officer train beyond ground/data in the tower and CD/PAR downstairs. Having said that, don't argue with your enlisted instructor lol
    I've yanked a LT off position once cause he could tell trucks to "cross being the AV8 on short final"

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    I was an ATC officer and got out about a year ago. I've never heard of an officer getting a major qualification, (and believe me, I tried to make it happen) unless they were prior enlisted and already had the qual. But we could still control through baby quals for typically about a year before moving on to a deployable unit.

    As a marine officer you won't be able to pick your MOS until you're​ already commissioned and about to graduate The Basic School. Your chances of getting ATC are slim at best, as there will probably only be 1 slot in a class of 300, if there's one at all.

    All that being said, being an ATC officer was awesome.

    I'm an FAA FOL holder currently, so if you've got any questions about any of this, feel free to send me a DM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jope1377 View Post
    Hello,

    Im about to graduate with my bachelors in May and i have been thinking of enlisting into the Marines as an Officer. Do you guys know if it is possible for Officers to do ATC in the Marines? I thought I heard somewhere that only enlisted recruits can do actual ATC work. Is this true?
    In the Air Force, junior airfield operations officers are required to get a CTO at a tower-only assignment, and Local/Approach/Assist at an assignment with a tower and a radar approach control. I was one, and I managed to get a CTO and a RAPC in 2 years. It helped that we had two more officers than we needed, and were staffed at about 60% in the RAPCON.

    The Marines are a fine way to serve your country, but both they and the Navy have this odd system wherein you can be an air traffic controller yet not get trained to certify at your tower or RAPCON because you're too junior, or haven't impressed your senior NCOs, or whatever. If you want to be an officer who gets facility certifications which are useful for joining the FAA later, I recommend the Air Force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowapproach View Post
    In the Air Force, junior airfield operations officers are required to get a CTO at a tower-only assignment, and Local/Approach/Assist at an assignment with a tower and a radar approach control. I was one, and I managed to get a CTO and a RAPC in 2 years. It helped that we had two more officers than we needed, and were staffed at about 60% in the RAPCON.

    The Marines are a fine way to serve your country, but both they and the Navy have this odd system wherein you can be an air traffic controller yet not get trained to certify at your tower or RAPCON because you're too junior, or haven't impressed your senior NCOs, or whatever. If you want to be an officer who gets facility certifications which are useful for joining the FAA later, I recommend the Air Force.

    Yeah, our officers "got" their RAPC as well. Usually certified as soon as they were eligible and then never seen again in the IFR room. We had one dumb ass 2LT who somehow washed out of Air Battle Manager so they sent him to ATC. He got paper rated, but then insisted on getting his pro time every month and some poor enlisted guy had to babysit his ass in position. It's very hard respectfully asking a Lt wtf they are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    Yeah, our officers "got" their RAPC as well. Usually certified as soon as they were eligible and then never seen again in the IFR room. We had one dumb ass 2LT who somehow washed out of Air Battle Manager so they sent him to ATC. He got paper rated, but then insisted on getting his pro time every month and some poor enlisted guy had to babysit his ass in position. It's very hard respectfully asking a Lt wtf they are doing.
    Certifications can mean very different things, depending on the individual. But my experience taught me that an officer who makes it clear that he is there to learn how things are done will usually get a lot of help from his trainers, and an officer who wants to check the box will receive a training experience commensurate with his desires. As with much of life, you get out of it what you're willing to put into it.

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    Not that the OP asked about it, but a point of clarification on Navy officers in ATC. If you are a Navy officer you no longer are allowed to control aircraft but you most definitely have held some kind of major quals (CTO, Arrival, Approach). This is because you can't become a Navy atc officer out of ROTC/Academy. ATC officers are Limited Duty Officers (LDO) that have served as enlisted controllers usually to the E-6 or E-7 rank prior to going officer. That generally means someone with 8-12 years in the field and it's not really a good option for someone going FAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowapproach View Post
    Certifications can mean very different things, depending on the individual. But my experience taught me that an officer who makes it clear that he is there to learn how things are done will usually get a lot of help from his trainers, and an officer who wants to check the box will receive a training experience commensurate with his desires. As with much of life, you get out of it what you're willing to put into it.
    I've had people show up before as a "controller" that hasn't controlled in 20 years. This was in a contract/combat environment but it happens. Apparently you can get a CTO in the Navy and then never actually talk to an AC again...big difference from enlisted USAF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JStewart66 View Post
    I've had people show up before as a "controller" that hasn't controlled in 20 years. This was in a contract/combat environment but it happens. Apparently you can get a CTO in the Navy and then never actually talk to an AC again...big difference from enlisted USAF.


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    same with Guard. There were guard controllers deployed who hadn't talked to a plane since they got their rating several years prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    same with Guard. There were guard controllers deployed who hadn't talked to a plane since they got their rating several years prior.
    Lol... yup. Funny what you get when the people reading resumes don't know what they are reading...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JStewart66 View Post
    Lol... yup. Funny what you get when the people reading resumes don't know what they are reading...


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    these people were deployed and then couldn't hack it and the AF was like wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    these people were deployed and then couldn't hack it and the AF was like wtf
    Haha... exactly. Some shit never changes


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    Navy enlisted controllers do not get their CTO and then never actually talk to an AC again. If you are talking about Navy LDO's then they got their CTO and talked to aircraft for years as an enlisted controller before they became LDO's (O-1's). I'm sure there are some exceptions but Navy controllers get their CTO and continue to work as enlisted controllers, and unlike Air Force ATC officers, Navy LDO's had to perform as real controllers until they made E-6 and pass the E-7 exam before they can apply to the LDO program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by planetalkerkp View Post
    Navy enlisted controllers do not get their CTO and then never actually talk to an AC again. If you are talking about Navy LDO's then they got their CTO and talked to aircraft for years as an enlisted controller before they became LDO's (O-1's). I'm sure there are some exceptions but Navy controllers get their CTO and continue to work as enlisted controllers, and unlike Air Force ATC officers, Navy LDO's had to perform as real controllers until they made E-6 and pass the E-7 exam before they can apply to the LDO program.
    Well.. you seem a little defensive. And also... you're incorrect. Research your shit before you post butt-hurt responses. Jesus man.


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    Wow lots of drama over something pretty simple. No, you can't get a CTO in the Navy and then not work airplanes again unless you get kicked out of the Navy or get revocated for some reason. The Navy won't even train you at certain places unless they can get several months out of you in which you will be used for manning and training others. One thing is for certain is that the only ATC officers in the Navy are LDO and are prior enlisted that would have had to be checked out at at least two duty stations prior to becoming officers. As Navy officers, they do not work control positions and are only actively involved in ATC operations aboard ship. I've worked with quite a few Air Force enlisted controllers that were found severely wanting and I am sure you can find crap controllers in any branch. Early on in my time with AF folks, the old guys lamented the loss of standards and how people with no experience were "the blind leading the blind," due to many moving on to greener pastures. It's just facts... I wouldn't paint any branch's controllers with such a broad brush though. Except maybe the Army... ;D

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    Army ATC, Navy ATC, Marine ATC, Officer ATC...... ALL OXYMORON

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    Quote Originally Posted by JStewart66 View Post
    Well.. you seem a little defensive. And also... you're incorrect. Research your shit before you post butt-hurt responses. Jesus man.


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    I did 24 years of research. Not defensive or butt-hurt at all just wanted to correct the inaccuracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramfan402 View Post
    Army ATC, Navy ATC, Marine ATC, Officer ATC...... ALL OXYMORON
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