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    5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    So I got out of MCAS Miramar and served a total of 4 years as an active controller (basically my entire enlistment after the training). My question is, even though I did not get a CTO at either of my facilities (stupid MC rules), is there any way/situation that would allow me to apply for a higher pay level/band? I got out as an E-4, but the civilians I worked side by side with (even without any qualifications) were GS-12's, 13's, and 14's. I would like to think that having some verifiable experience, even without a CTO, would translate to a higher starting pay grade upon arrival at my first facility, but perhaps I am mistaken in this. And if I am, where would the 4 years of control experience actually make a difference as far as seniority and buy back time? Thanks in advance.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Hmm good question...I think you're SOS though...use your GI bill for OJT with can be well over $1000 a month in BAH payments for the first year until you get to D1 pay band which is same as what you're wanting. If you go to a lvl 5 though for example, you start out as D1 pay cuz they don't even have AD pay band at that small of facility.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Is there a good spot I can go to find the D pay band scale broken down by any chance?

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Also not sure how much difference it makes, but I know Miramar is a level 7 facility, or at least was when last I checked.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by USMCVetMC View Post
    So I got out of MCAS Miramar and served a total of 4 years as an active controller (basically my entire enlistment after the training). My question is, even though I did not get a CTO at either of my facilities (stupid MC rules), is there any way/situation that would allow me to apply for a higher pay level/band? I got out as an E-4, but the civilians I worked side by side with (even without any qualifications) were GS-12's, 13's, and 14's. I would like to think that having some verifiable experience, even without a CTO, would translate to a higher starting pay grade upon arrival at my first facility, but perhaps I am mistaken in this. And if I am, where would the 4 years of control experience actually make a difference as far as seniority and buy back time? Thanks in advance.
    https://pointsixtyfive.com/xenforo/pages/Veterans/
    here is a link to a different forum of the a list of benefits that veterans get when they start work with the FAA.
    What do you mean by you didn’t get a CTO at either facility? So you didn’t get a Control Tower Operator (CTO) card as a tower controller? Was there a RADAR approach or a GCA at your base and did you get certifications in there?
    Below is a link for info on the job announcements for the FAA:
    https://pointsixtyfive.com/xenforo/pages/Hiring/
    there are different types of bids for the FAA, but the one most prior military get in on is the Prior Experience bid. Go through the requirements they have listed for that type of announcement and see if your qualifications match those requirements. Good luck!

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Just talk to the HR rep....they're the ones that give you the TOL/FOL with what your pay will be....Just ask the HR rep the questions you have about what pay band you'll be hired under and ask for the reference that explains their answer. This really is a question best asked to your HR rep. If you don't have HR rep...shouldn't be too hard to google FAA ATC HR Rep or what not.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    If you don't have a CTO likely your only option will be to apply OTS. You will attend the Academy and start at base pay. Military time doesn't count for seniority but you will have the option to buy back your time and it can help with retirement.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    You say no CTO but did were certified in the radar room? RAPCON or TRACON or whatever the Marines call it. If you were a certified approach controller than you don’t need a CTO to apply to the prior experience FAA bids or the DoD gigs for radar only.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    You could always join the Reserves or Guard and try to get your CTO

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    I applied and was accepted with the last experienced bid (July or August) and given a TOL, but when I was filling out the additional information, it asked how long I had a CTO and what radar experience I had. I was at MCAS Futenma and Kadena AFB, where I had TD/CC and Ground at the former and RD and RFC at the latter. Then I went to MCAS Miramar where I got qualifications on TD, Ground, Clearance Delivery, and RFC. I was told by the rep that none of this counted as prior experience, when I emailed them asking for help with entering my experience. When they discovered I had that experience but no CTO or "major" radar qualification, they pushed me to the ots bid. And in regards to the within 120 days of service for the prior experience bid, I went on terminal leave in July, with the experience bid coming out within a couple of weeks of my leaving the active component. However, my actual end of active service date was supposed to be in August. I don't know if that has any effect on it but thought it would be worth mentioning.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Also, I have a service connected disability of 10% or more, which superceeds the 120 days of separation for veterans preference. The within 120 days of discharge is for a 10 point veterans preference boost, I believe. A veteran with a service connected disability rates a 30 point preference, if memory serves right.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Quote Originally Posted by USMCVetMC View Post
    I applied and was accepted with the last experienced bid (July or August) and given a TOL, but when I was filling out the additional information, it asked how long I had a CTO and what radar experience I had. I was at MCAS Futenma and Kadena AFB, where I had TD/CC and Ground at the former and RD and RFC at the latter. Then I went to MCAS Miramar where I got qualifications on TD, Ground, Clearance Delivery, and RFC. I was told by the rep that none of this counted as prior experience, when I emailed them asking for help with entering my experience. When they discovered I had that experience but no CTO or "major" radar qualification, they pushed me to the ots bid. And in regards to the within 120 days of service for the prior experience bid, I went on terminal leave in July, with the experience bid coming out within a couple of weeks of my leaving the active component. However, my actual end of active service date was supposed to be in August. I don't know if that has any effect on it but thought it would be worth mentioning.
    So you don’t have any experience that the FAA considers for the prior experience which is why they have you going in on an OTS bid. There aren’t any FAA bids that you can apply to that helps you start at a higher level facility. You would have to go through an OTS bid and go to the academy and will be offered facilities that need people most likely levels 4-7 for a Terminal TOL or a minimum of a level 8 for en-route TOL. As far as I know buying back your military time won’t give you any seniority but you will receive more leave time than an OTS hire that just started federal service.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    What i know is.... i heard u got to move a lot if you in the FAA, so if you apply for the city you want, you may or may not get it. you might have to fuckin move to like smallville. im a city dude n i havent done shit with my life yet i havent even got your military experience but i know that family comes first n shit. so make up your mind if you want to work for the faa. i speak as a weather forcaster in the airforce 12 year brat.

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    Is this for real

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    Re: 5 Year Military Controller Looking to Go to the FAA

    There’s a prior experience bid that just opened today and will be open until 12/9. Might be worth a shot to apply

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