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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

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    Change to Departure.

    As far as what order to give it in the takeoff clearance, I've heard it done many ways.
    I read this and knew without a doubt who this was.

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    I have an important question to ask you all, but before I do here is a bit about myself. I am 25 years old and just graduated college and I want to pursue a career in the F.A.A as a ATC. I have no experience what so ever and I recently applied for the opening bid but I was not eligible to proceed due to the B.A.Q exam. I reached out to the Air Force and they said a ATC job with them requires a 6 year commitment ( I'll be 31 in 6 years). I decided that the best option for me is to go reserve. I am looking into the Air National Guard, National Guard, and Navy Reserve. The Air Force Reserve does not have the ATC job available in my current state or in any other state that I am willing to relocate. Now that I got that out of the way my questions are as followed.

    1) Which military branch will allow me to get proper training that the FAA will recognize as actual work experience?
    2) Will any military branch allow me to work as a ATC in the reserve?
    3) Which one will provide me with a CTO rating or a radar approach rating?
    4) which bases/ facility should I try to go to?
    5) How fast can I get trained
    6) Because I have a college degree, which rank would I start with?
    7) Where should I start if I enter?

    I have done a lot of research and everyone has contradicting opinions. In one of the threads, someone said to go with the Air National Guard because Ill be able to get actual training and experience and at the same time work for the FAA. In another thread, someone explained that just because I would get an ATC job doesn't mean that ill be working in the tower/ radar room gaining actual experience.

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    Preface: If you are lucky enough to be the one out of 10+ people selected on a future bid, the FAA may ask you to relocate to somewhere you don't care to live. If the job is the most important thing, get used to it now.

    1. Any of them.
    2. You would have to do some research here, and a recruiter may or may not be able to point you in the right direction. In the Air National Guard, I believe there are Guard ATC units located at Otis ANGB in New York, Dobbins ARB in Georgia, and Key Field in Mississippi.
    3. Most of them. There are some exceptions, like the FACSFAC people who monitor the warning areas off the East Coast, but you will attend the basic technical course for ATC to get there.
    4. Depends on facts not yet known.
    5. Depends on facts not yet known.
    6. Ask your recruiter.
    7. You will start at whatever basic training program is appropriate for your branch of service, followed by the basic technical course for ATC. You may be able to select your base to follow, in a list descending by class rank, or you may just be told where you're going.

    I would try for a reservist or Guardsman position, just because age may be a factor if you enlist and spend 6 years repaying your service obligation. You might also ask the Air Force recruiter if he has any 13M positions for officers, because that would be a 4-year commitment with access to ATC training. Don't worry about the quality of your experience, just get something on your DD 214 (papers separating you from service and describing the quality of your discharge) that says you have a passing familiarity with ATC.

    No matter what you do, you are a needle in the haystack of FAA hiring. It is more likely that you will not be hired than otherwise, because of the volume of applications for these jobs. On the other hand, the military is not a bad career, whether that's active duty, Reserves or Guard.

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    I was checking online and most branches state that the following scores are needed in order to qualify for ATC.
    "ASVAB score of 55 on General and 55 on Mechanical"
    Is the Mechanical score generated from the mechanical comprehension section in the test or is it a combination of different subtest in the ASVAB?
    Ill be taking the asvab at the end of the month so I want to make sure I study the right section

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    A monkey could get a 55. Assuming you got a HS degree, studying is not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walter_white View Post
    A monkey could get a 55. Assuming you got a HS degree, studying is not needed.
    I rather not take the risk...

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    • found it. here it is for others to see
      *Mechanical (M): Add the Paragraph Comprehension (PC) and Word Knowledge (WK) scores and then double the result. Add this to the Arithmetic Reasoning (AR), Mechanical Comprehension (MC), and General Science (GS) scores.

      • AR + 2(PC + WK) + MC + GS

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    The ASVAB was the easiest test I ever took. The fact that people were bombing it genuinely blew my mind. I was done so fast I got nervous that I had done it wrong. Got a 98.

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    Walter is right. It really doesn't take much to get above 55. I had been out of high school for over 8 years, didn't study, and made mid-high 70's. If you're that worried about it, grab a study guide of some sort. A friend of mine said he used the 'asvab for dummies' and it raised his score like 10-15 points. Don't stress too much about it.

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    I'm Currently in the US Army trying to get into the FAA but all USA job post are asking for a DD214 which i can't get till i reach my ETS does anyone know how to go about applying with out a DD214 or a SF15 i have yet to be able to get either of these forms but would like to try and get a job lined up before i reach my ETS

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    Go to personnel and get a statement of service. It should have your dates served, projected ets date, and projected type of discharge. For getting hired on the prior experience bid you need to have a CTO or radar approach facility rating with 52 weeks post cert experience. Tactical and GCA do not count for this. If you don't qualify for the prior experience you can apply to the Off the Street bid. Don't know when the next one will be. The FAA will give you a list of facilities that need people. No guarantee it will be in Texas.

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    Hello, this is an older thread but I have a question. Let's start off by saying I am 17 and haven't yet chosen a path to try and become a controller. I have read numerous different posts on qualifications on military controllers when applying for the FAA. I have talked with a Air Guard recruiter and got the basics but this is not as simple to answer. So my question is lets say I join the guard finish basic and all that can first off what does the 52 weeks of experience count as? Because working the two weekends a month for the guard would take quite a bit of time to reach the goal of 52 weeks. But I have read in threads that a year of being certified cto by the guard will allow you to qualify for the 52 weeks of experience....? So if that works that way and with a cto and 52 weeks of experience and got accepted into the FAA, would I then have to go to the academy or would I be able to skip that since from what I've read you become FAA certified when you become a controller working for the guard. And even further so why do this when it seems that you are just as likely to get hired just having a hs diploma since they hire off the street? If you go with the guard then you would be more likely to get hired...? also my guess is I at least got some of this info wrong but any replies would be helpful. Thanks

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    So the way the Air Guard works is that you will go to basic training, then ATC tech school, then facility rating in either a control tower or radar approach control facility. During those periods of training you will be full time. What I think the FAA wants in order to qualify for the previous experience bids is 52 weeks full time experience after receipt of a facility rating. It's very doable to get that but requires some flexibility on your end. Iraq deployments have started up again so there is one route. Right now the Air Guard is filling those rotations by assigning them to two air traffic control squadrons per rotation to fill with bodies. The good thing is that means between two squadrons they can usually get enough volunteers without needing to involuntarily activate anyone. The Air Guard also has permanent and temporary full time positions which are probably the most common route that people build experience. ATC bonuses ($20k) are back in my state and I know a couple others, maybe even all of them.

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    Hello, I apologize and understand this question may have been answered before but I was uncertain if the information I searched was up to date. Age is my concern. I am very interested in ATC with the Air National Guard and my question is if there was a possible employment option with the FAA after or during, if I was to enter enlisted at the age 30. If not, are there other career options to add upon the Guard to make the dream career full time? Thank you for your answers and time.

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    If you can get in the National Guard and get a CTO prior to age 36 you can get a job doing DOD. Age 56 is the maximum retirement age so in order to get 20 years of service for retirement you must be working as a DOD civilian in ATC at a DOD facility by age 36. Age 31 I believe is the cut off for the FAA. These are all ages you must be in a ATC first line position.

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    From the May prior experience job listing:

    Age Requirements: Notwithstanding section 3307 of title 5, the maximum limit of age for an original appointment to a position as an air traffic controller shall be 35 years of age for those maintaining 52 weeks of air traffic control experience involving the full-time active separation of air traffic after receipt of an air traffic certification or air traffic control facility rating in a civilian or military air traffic control facility. Maximum Retention Age: 5 U.S.C. 8335 (a) and 5 U.S.C. 8425 (a) require mandatory separation at age 56 in a career controller position.

    Applicants previously appointed by the FAA or DOD as a civilian 2152, must also include a copy of a Notification of Personnel Action (SF-50) that verifies original appointment to the civilian 2152 occupational series prior to reaching the maximum entry age of 35.

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