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    Ask A Military Controller

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    20 year Navy vet here working DOD in Hamtpon Roads. My question to controllers is what is proper phraeseology for FAST a/c takeoff?

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    Not sure if its different in the military, but in the FAA its "AAL210, runway 4L , NO DELAY, cleared for take-off." or "AAL210, runway 4L, cleared for immediate takeoff, traffic on a 3 mile final."

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    Let me specify, FAST pertains to Fighter Attack Trainer and forget what the S stands for..Single pilot i think

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    Change to Departure.

    As far as what order to give it in the takeoff clearance, I've heard it done many ways.

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    yeah me too. Reason I'm asking is the ATM is directing everyone to do it his/her way and noone agrees. It's a common sense thing. You probably shouldn't say "change to departure" at the beginning of a clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wippster View Post
    yeah me too. Reason I'm asking is the ATM is directing everyone to do it his/her way and noone agrees. It's a common sense thing. You probably shouldn't say "change to departure" at the beginning of a clearance.
    I don't live in the fighter a/c world anymore but I in fact I all ways did it at the beginning of my transmission. That was just the way I did it as a personal technique. Yes I've heard this arguement before, if you tell him to change... he'll change (right then.) We would be living in fantasy world if the a/c really just instantly changed without you completing your transmission and without a pilot response.

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    As a practical matter, pilots are not going to switch before they get a takeoff clearance and additionally won't switch until they hear the end of the transmission. It's easy to test though. Deliberately do it one way for a while and then the other. I don't think you'll see any difference in results. The pilot will wait for the end of the transmission, acknowledge the clearance, and then switch.

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    It's runway, wind, cleared for takeoff change to departure. Doesn't make sense to me either to read the frequency change first. Then they might change after hearing the clearance and not hear a traffic call or some other imortant info. Sometimes our guys will remain on freq until the end of the runway depending on their comfort level, but usually they read back the clearance and then change freqs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WatchThis View Post
    As a practical matter, pilots are not going to switch before they get a takeoff clearance and additionally won't switch until they hear the end of the transmission. It's easy to test though. Deliberately do it one way for a while and then the other. I don't think you'll see any difference in results. The pilot will wait for the end of the transmission, acknowledge the clearance, and then switch.

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    That's me. Going good, retired and living civillian life now. Hope all is well with you.

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    HI,

    I am 24 and desperately wanting to become an ATCer. I'm contemplating joining the military, but do I have enough time?
    I hear the AF is my safest bet in that I will have my needs met and most likely have a guaranteed job with the FAA when I get out. Do you know which branch is best for getting a civilian job with the FAA, and which branch offers the shortest enlistments?

    Thanks,

    Neema

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    I'm not an expert per se, but I don't think any branch is better in regards to getting a civilian job with the FAA.

    However, Marines or Air force will probably be your best bet. A lot of Army facilities are contracted out or done by civilians. In the navy, there's a chance you'll get stuck on a ship.

    Marines require a 5 year enlistment and the Air force requires a 6 year enlistment for ATC.

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    Quote Originally Posted by quicksilveer11 View Post
    HI,

    I am 24 and desperately wanting to become an ATCer. I'm contemplating joining the military, but do I have enough time?
    I hear the AF is my safest bet in that I will have my needs met and most likely have a guaranteed job with the FAA when I get out. Do you know which branch is best for getting a civilian job with the FAA, and which branch offers the shortest enlistments?

    Thanks,

    Neema

    This is a sticky, not a forum. Try posting your question in the "Ask A Military Controller" Forum.

    But, the Navy also requires a 5 year enlistment. Shipboard experience does not count toward "52 weeks of consecutive ATC experience" as required for VRA apps, so make sure you visit a shore-based Naval Air Station.

    Also, with the Marines, you would select the Air Traffic Controller / Air Support job group. It also includes Air Control Electronics Operator and Air Support Operations Operator. You're not guaranteed to be an ATCS. You sign up for the Marines to be a Marine.

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    Find a AF guard unit that offers ATC. Enlist, go through your training and try to get a deployment. That should give you the time you need for the FAA, or at least be close to it. Plus, last I heard the guard gives sign bonuses for ATC.

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    Quote Originally Posted by StrangeBrew View Post
    This is a sticky, not a forum. Try posting your question in the "Ask A Military Controller" Forum.


    Also, with the Marines, you would select the Air Traffic Controller / Air Support job group. It also includes Air Control Electronics Operator and Air Support Operations Operator. You're not guaranteed to be an ATCS. You sign up for the Marines to be a Marine.

    Not entirely true. There is a study out to screen our candidates better. Along with that, there will be an option for qualified people to have ATC as a guarantee in their contract.
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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    Quote Originally Posted by quicksilveer11 View Post
    HI,

    I am 24 and desperately wanting to become an ATCer. I'm contemplating joining the military, but do I have enough time?
    I hear the AF is my safest bet in that I will have my needs met and most likely have a guaranteed job with the FAA when I get out. Do you know which branch is best for getting a civilian job with the FAA, and which branch offers the shortest enlistments?

    Thanks,

    Neema
    Short enlistment doesn't always equate to the appropriate ratings. You want enough time in to get a CTO or TRACON rating and still meet your other military obligations (deployements and such). The USMC requires you to get a major rating within the first 3 years...this is good news if that is your goal.

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    Re: Ask A Military Controller

    I am currently 38 turning 39 in January. Former ATC at N90 and ELM and have been out of the FAA since 2003. After many years in business for myself and experience what my wife is calling an early mid life crisis, I am longing to return to ATC but this time in a way that I have wanted to since 18; in the US Military. Do I have any options at this point in life? Thank you in advance for your response.

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    I Previously working at a fighter base, and it was always, "Rwy XX, wind 230@05, cleared for takeoff, change to departure.

    Why would you say, "Change to departure" first? Before handing someone off you wouldn't say, "Contact Columbia Approach 126.5" followed by "Traffic twelve o'clock 5 miles....." As soon as you say change to dep, that pilot is going to push the freq toggle switch and assume he's cleared for takeoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AF_ATC View Post
    I Previously working at a fighter base, and it was always, "Rwy XX, wind 230@05, cleared for takeoff, change to departure.

    Why would you say, "Change to departure" first? Before handing someone off you wouldn't say, "Contact Columbia Approach 126.5" followed by "Traffic twelve o'clock 5 miles....." As soon as you say change to dep, that pilot is going to push the freq toggle switch and assume he's cleared for takeoff.
    Same as we used at NAS kingsville, all T-45 trainers thus falling under FAST. Runway, wind, clear for takeoff, change to departure. For landing it is wind, runway cleared (for the option)

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