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    Quote Originally Posted by Nodak View Post
    I've heard the same thing about Nellis, and also that their traffic count is so high cause they count 1 for every MOA they enter/exit/cross through, which realisticly is what you should do but no one does here cause they are lazy, but 1 a/c will rack up 10-15 ops just from different MOA work. Once again just what I've heard.
    I'm sure that they must take this into account when comparing AFBs.

    They also have the greatest # of squadrons.

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    Their is no way Balad is busier than our level 12's. No doubt it's busy though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerpuke View Post
    Crazy, isn't it? Atlanta Center worked @ 3.4 million aircraft last year with roughly 300 million passengers flying through our airspace. That's everything in and out of Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte, and everything over the top. ATL has 5 runways and runs either triple arrivals or triple departures all day. The two arrival sectors on the north side are the busiest ATC sectors in the world (roughly 9,000 - 12,000 ops per day each).
    Didn't realize they had 5 runways. Jesus, no wonder so few can check out at ATL Tracon. Pretty crazy when 2 arrival sectors work more traffic than an entire center. ZID is running around 5-6k a day right now. Even when they were busy, it was 9k a day.

    A balad is an CERAP (Combined approach/center). Baghdad is a center. Kirkuk is a CERAP.

    I don't remember who told me Balad is the 2nd busiest airport, cuz they are full of crap. Balad is the busiest DoD base.

    Here is a good article about Balad ATC

    http://www.dover.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123078463
    Last edited by ColtsATC; 04-27-2009 at 06:11 PM.

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    You can go to the FAA website and see the airport ranks based on ops from 2008. 1-ATL 2-ORD 3-LAX 4-DFW 5-DEN. I dont know the exact order after that but i do know DVT a VFR tower was in the top 10, crazy. I think i saw they did 300k+ T&G's.

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    Yeah, DVT in teh top 10 and they are only a level 8 facility... pretty funny huh. Busiest GA airport and they get paid crap because its General Aviation traffic and not airliners. A VFR tower IMO is one of the hardest to control at.

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    Balad has slowed down since the good ol days. But we still get busy, we also work the approach for Baghdad Intl and things get interesting there since its still an active combat zone and there are UAVs and other tactical aircraft all over the place you still have to keep 5/1000 from. Along with fighter airspace and refueling tracks that like to be right where you dont want them.

    PS, i hate UAVs, they are like gnats...that are attracted to other planes, and try their hardest to get in the way. <-- me all day today in Baghdad

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    UAVs suck, tactical airspace sucks, and Kingpin not telling you the correct altitude their aircraft are at suck. Especially with a not all that reliable radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtsATC View Post
    UAVs suck, tactical airspace sucks, and Kingpin not telling you the correct altitude their aircraft are at suck. Especially with a not all that reliable radar.
    Kingpin!!! F!#k them. They like to park uav's at 5 mile final @2500' without telling anybody. We would call them on it and they would tell us the F16's i just gave a traffic alert to were "point-out approved", wtf?

    The thing that makes Balad very difficult is complexity, hazardous airspace, huge range in a/c performance and very poor airfield design. By nature everything was completely random. As you can imagine, if dudes are shooting at aircraft in the pattern there won't be any VFR entry points like a normal base base would have. It is not uncommon for aircraft in the pattern to recieve small arms fire in the pattern, so pilots were not very enthusiastic about extending downwind or doing any type of spacing manuevers....

    Im at a level 8, and Balad was way more challenging.

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    Ya im not sure who thought making the runways 30/12 and 32/14 was a good idea. Hooray for converging finals and crossing departure corridors!

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    Kingpin caused an RA while I was working a few days ago. They had just told us a guy was climbing from 5k to 7k, so i was blocking that airspace at 7k cuz our radar isn't exactly the most reliable. I have a guy at 9k climbing to 10 and suddenly, "approach, we are responding to an RA" I"m like WTF?? I see absolutely no traffic on my scope around him til about 30 seconds later...there's KP's guy at 8.7 decend rather rapidly now. I called them up and they said we approved him at 9k, we said no we didn't obviously, then it was back and forth about them telling us to move for their guys, it's their a/s , blah blah blah. Our CCTLR called and ya...we won that battle.

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    I worked at balad tower in the past. I could see it being the busiet DOD facility, but its numbers no where near compare to ATL/ORD...

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    You guys are forgetting one thing runway number. ATL has 5-runways so of course they are going to run more total ops.

    The people that were quoting Balad being the busiest was years ago when they were under construction and running that amount of traffic to ONE runway. It was the busiest single runway ops at that time...

    That's where AF management started spreading that word but now that both runways have been open for some time, it's not even close to the busiest. Busy....yes but not close to the busiest when think about the other factors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Busa View Post
    You guys are forgetting one thing runway number. ATL has 5-runways so of course they are going to run more total ops.

    The people that were quoting Balad being the busiest was years ago when they were under construction and running that amount of traffic to ONE runway. It was the busiest single runway ops at that time...

    That's where AF management started spreading that word but now that both runways have been open for some time, it's not even close to the busiest. Busy....yes but not close to the busiest when think about the other factors...
    Wow, ONE runway...it sure must be tough to run a bunch of traffic to ONE runway. No intersecting operations, no LAHSO, no converging approaches of course with converging misses to follow, no simul's, no crossing departure fixes from different runway, no multiple miss approaches, etc, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie_league View Post
    Wow, ONE runway...it sure must be tough to run a bunch of traffic to ONE runway. No intersecting operations, no LAHSO, no converging approaches of course with converging misses to follow, no simul's, no crossing departure fixes from different runway, no multiple miss approaches, etc, etc
    knew it was coming!

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    And close to zero closed traffic. Whatever... Glendale tower(Federal Contract Tower) in Phoenix ran around 200,000 with one runway and they arent even in the top 100 overall.

    people aren't saying its not busy, but its far from the busiest.

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    Re: Busiest Facility

    Glendale or Goodyear? or both.

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    Re: Busiest Facility

    I was talking about Glendale, but Goodyear is busy and has 1 runway too...

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    Re: Busiest Facility

    Quote Originally Posted by archie_league View Post
    Wow, ONE runway...it sure must be tough to run a bunch of traffic to ONE runway. No intersecting operations, no LAHSO, no converging approaches of course with converging misses to follow, no simul's, no crossing departure fixes from different runway, no multiple miss approaches, etc, etc


    Obviously you know nothing about Balad or any other deployed location...

    Let me know when you are working traffic inbound that is getting shot at declaring emergency or already flame out, while you have traffic trying to get airborne to intercept targets, then aircraft disabled on the runway while others are inbound (no opposite direction cutoffs) and have no choice but to land while taking fire on the field and the facility you are working in......you're right....no interesting operations ...

    Please GTFO with that BS....

    Let's not forget the crossing helicopters in the middle of all of this with casualties and wounded personnel on board while you issue an ass load of traffic on UAV's and other crap that you can't see....




    Don't let us keep you from your crazy busy traffic with (are you kidding me).....LAHSO and simul's.... .....please....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Busa View Post


    Obviously you know nothing about Balad or any other deployed location...

    Let me know when you are working traffic inbound that is getting shot at declaring emergency or already flame out, while you have traffic trying to get airborne to intercept targets, then aircraft disabled on the runway while others are inbound (no opposite direction cutoffs) and have no choice but to land while taking fire on the field and the facility you are working in......you're right....no interesting operations ...

    Please GTFO with that BS....

    Let's not forget the crossing helicopters in the middle of all of this with casualties and wounded personnel on board while you issue an ass load of traffic on UAV's and other crap that you can't see....




    Don't let us keep you from your crazy busy traffic with (are you kidding me).....LAHSO and simul's.... .....please....
    I have worked ATC at a deployed location in Iraq and have 2 close friends that worked at Balad. So "obviously" you are wrong on that. Next…

    I have worked traffic inbound getting shot at, declared emergency, engine out, intercept aircraft, aircraft disabled on a runway ....No opposite direction cutoffs…big deal…do you need an AFI to tell you how not to let planes touch? Oh yeah, back to your point…Yep, have worked a guy landing while taking fire on the field, and check the box next to facility taking fire too.

    Definitely had the med-evac helos all over…gunship helos too trying to point out possible areas the rockets came from and the little UAV’s also.

    You forgot to add trying to do it all at night with everybody’s lights out for fear of getting shot down with night vision goggles that we had no training to use, having to stick our head out the window so they would work while trying to control the mess. I know you did that also…no biggie.

    And just remember, at no point did I say Balad, or any other facility was a joke. I’m not saying there aren’t busy times and complex things going on but I am saying it isn’t close to the busiest/most complex in the world.

    I'm sure Houston and Balad are probably way busier and complex than anything I've been to so I will defer to you on it.

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    Re: Busiest Facility

    Quote Originally Posted by archie_league View Post
    Wow, ONE runway...it sure must be tough to run a bunch of traffic to ONE runway. No intersecting operations, no LAHSO, no converging approaches of course with converging misses to follow, no simul's, no crossing departure fixes from different runway, no multiple miss approaches, etc, etc
    I don't even know what any of that crap is, haha. It sounds really tough though! They ought to pay you tower guys more money!

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