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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Most airlines promis a minimum of 75 hours a month, but remember, pilots aren't allowed to fly over 100 in a month and have a maximum of 1000 a year per 14 CFR part 121.

    So even the longest tenure CA can only make ~$210k a year, plus maybe a little overtime. Still, not bad
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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by phillyman2633 View Post
    Most airlines promis a minimum of 75 hours a month, but remember, pilots aren't allowed to fly over 100 in a month and have a maximum of 1000 a year per 14 CFR part 121.

    So even the longest tenure CA can only make ~$210k a year, plus maybe a little overtime. Still, not bad
    haha ONLY 210k...and potentially only working 10 days a month

    if it didn't take 20+ years to get to that point it'd be worth it
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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by irishcarbomb View Post
    haha ONLY 210k...and potentially only working 10 days a month

    if it didn't take 20+ years to get to that point it'd be worth it
    Yeah, I don't feel like making 30k until I'm 30...why I'm going ATC lol

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    That $210 a flight hour is very deceiving.

    What they never tell you is that payments on flight school loans are greater than first year pilot pay. So it generally comes by miracle or generosity of others that most pilots are even able to start at a regional.

    First you put in 5-10 years flying at a regional for a pittance. Just upgrading to CA at a regional can take time. There are plenty of regional pilots flying right seat with over 5K hours. When you do make CA pay is nothing to brag about, take a look at those links.

    When that is over you go to a major. Hiring for majors is also slow and sporadic at best. Most guys I went to flight school with are headed to UAE to upgrade from the regionals. Fine, its an upgrade if you are willing to go to the Middle East, but not the life I had in mind when I first started flying.

    Once at a major, upgrading to CA is also difficult. I've known guys in their 50's still flying right seat waiting for that upgrade. By the time you finally make CA pay at a major, its practically time to retire.

    Not to mention even at that maximum pay, 4-7 hours of work = 1 day away from home. To max out at 1000 hours, you are basically spending the majority of the year on the road. Good for some, but not exactly the livin' the dream in my opinion.
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    Re: Pilot Pay

    well said...
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    Re: Pilot Pay:(

    Quote Originally Posted by drsarp22 View Post
    This is a joke.

    Yeah first officers get paid nothing flying for regional airlines.

    There are tons of pilots out there. All of them wnat to break in to the big leauges and make Captains pay at major airline one day. The airlines pay them little because of supply and demand. The new pilots that want to get into the industry are willing to work for very little for payout in the end. Notice he only talked about the FO's not the Captains. You think Doctors in residency or lawyers that start out clerking make serious money, hell no but they do it for the experince and the payout in the end. When I was an Amn doing ATC I was making around the same money a FO at a regional airline would. Why? Because I put in my time making nothing and getting experince so I could get into the FAA and make good money. Also the senior pilots at air carriers cant stand that all these young people accept the low pay because it hurts the Senior guys from a bargaining perspective. The reason senior pilots are getting paycuts are because there are so many young pilots out there willing to work for low wages. I had a guy in my classes in college that flew for American Eagle, no degree, little experince, but he was getting paid and raking in flight hours while he was finishing his degree, he knew what the deal was.
    The greatest part about "the senior pilots at air carriers" hating the young pilots is that this mess is their fault! They sold out the next generation of pilots by puting more emphasis on pay than scope protection at contract negotiations time. They got into a major and pulled up the ladder behind them, so take a second before you lend them your shoulder to cry on. The only place for a young pilot to go now days is to a regional. You can't remain a flight instructor because it is even less money than a regional FO. Even if you did, UAL, DAL, SWA, Fedex, etc will laugh in your face if you apply with 4,000 of dual given in light GA recips. When today's senior pilots were hired 25-30 years ago they didn't spend any time at a regional. they got hired at a mainline and spent 10 years in the right seat gaining experience then upgraded and have enjoyed a great career until they got greedy and sloppy in the 90's. These old guys would have done the same thing as the young guys are doing today if they were in todays pilot job market.
    The real reason for the current crapiness is a combination of the above, corporate greed, and a little bit of young pilots willingness to be abused for a while. It is all a shame because it is a very cool job but currently a junky career.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    By the time current new-hire pilots are getting ready to retire they'll be getting replaced with drones anyway, starting with FedEx/UPS and other cargo carriers for a few years to see how the record is and then making their way into commercial aviation.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Even the ones that do end up making over 200k a year rarely ever catch up in career earned salary compared to other professions. It takes too long for the average pilot to go from starting on a regional as FO to end up at the left seat on a legacy wide body.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    I dont think commercial passenger pilots will be replaced by drones within my life time. I sure as hell am not getting on a plane that doesnt have a pilot up front.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    The ATC System would be computerized before airline travel is...In my opinion!

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    By the time current new-hire pilots are getting ready to retire they'll be getting replaced with drones anyway, starting with FedEx/UPS and other cargo carriers for a few years to see how the record is and then making their way into commercial aviation.
    My FAA examiner said literally the exact same thing to me this morning. Verbatim.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by StuSEL View Post
    My FAA examiner said literally the exact same thing to me this morning. Verbatim.
    From talking about it to actually having that happen you're looking at a few DECADES at minimum. Its one thing to have the military fly drones, and quite another to have people's lives entrusted to them. I probably wont be seeing that in my lifetime.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    From talking about it to actually having that happen you're looking at a few DECADES at minimum. Its one thing to have the military fly drones, and quite another to have people's lives entrusted to them. I probably wont be seeing that in my lifetime.
    Well, FedEx and UPS are already experimenting with drones. Most airliners today are flown by the computer for 99% of the flight, not the pilots, so you're already being flown around by a drone just with a human override sitting next to it. And when you look at the Colgon Air crash in Buffalo and the Air France crash over the Atlantic, perhaps you'd have been better off with a drone that would have recognized a stall and not pulled back on the stick rather than a human pilot who panicked.


    "My FAA examiner said literally the exact same thing to me this morning. Verbatim."

    Glad to see I'm making waves in the industry lol

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Just because replacing the pilot with an onboard computer is technologically possible doesn't mean that the regulators or customers are going to be thrilled to see you do it. Maybe a computer is better at flying than a human being, but as a customer, I like knowing that my pilot will be just as upset about my plane crashing as I would. For a computer to be accepted as a pilot (or controller), it's going to have to work 99.999% of the time, and it's going to have to come up with the right answer at about the same percentage, even if the human-powered system can't meet that standard.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Quote Originally Posted by NovemberEcho View Post
    Glad to see I'm making waves in the industry lol
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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Well I am a pilot and I do fly with auto-pilot occasionally. If you think 99% of the work is being done by the computer you must not be a pilot. The pilot needs to know 100% of what the Auto pilot is doing at any given time and pre-flight the entire trip as if auto pilot doesnt exist. . Pilots get paid for their ability to handle situations when equipment fails and there have been hundreds if not thousands of incidence where the computer fails and the pilot is the saving grace, granted it is also vice versa but to a far lesser extent. There is no safe flight without a pilot, but there are safe flights without a computer.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Autopilot is only as good as the person programming it. It will do exactly as it's told...good or bad.

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    word

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    Re: Pilot Pay

    Drones flying around the general public could potentially really screw up the careers of pilots, and ATC as well. We shouldn't let that happen.

    Does anyone here have any script writing experience? Maybe someone should write a Hollywood Blockbuster about a futuristic drone plane that goes crazy in flight and ends up killing all of the passengers in a brutal horrific way.

    Sharks are relatively harmless yet people are still scared as hell when it comes to them thanks to jaws.

    Now we just need someone to do the same thing with drones.... It may help us stay employed a little longer.

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    I believe they called this movie "Stealth" and it was horrible.

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