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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    The correct thing and what most controllers expect is for you to exit the runway at the first available taxiway, pull completely past the hold lines and stop and wait for further instructions. If tower didn't switch you to ground you could either ask if that's what they want you to do or if they're talking just switch to ground on your own, neither one is wrong since it's the tower's job to tell you and he didn't.

    In reality, if there's only one taxiway to the ramp or all you have to do is cross a taxiway to get to the ramp and you taxi slow and give way to an outbound aircraft or whatever, I personally don't mind you proceeding without instructions as a ground controller. Just know you're technically wrong by doing that. It my job and a priority as a ground controller to get you moving away from the runway, so if I'm distracted doing other things and you discreetly taxi to the ramp on your own, I would consider it my fault. But that's just me.

    As for the don't stop rule at ORD, that's a rule for controllers to go by, as in always keep the planes moving even if the alley is blocked type of thing. I think they do expect you to keep it moving away from the runway to an extent, but again, it's ground's fault if they don't reach out to you in a timely manner and you just come to a stop. Especially with a separate inbound ground at ORD.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB View Post
    Of all the times I've sat on monitor (where we actually have the tower frequencies keyed up with override capabilities), I've NEVER heard a pilot get yelled at by Atlanta tower for "stopping the flow." I've heard them get short with pilots for not reading back hold short instructions or not replying in a timely manner. Aircraft don't just taxi around aimlessly at busy airports...
    My point exactly. It's just not going to happen. The GC can get pissed all they want but the pilot is not breaking any rules if he clears the runway and waits for instructions. He could and would be deviated if he just aimlessly taxis with the flow. I guarantee either the LC or GC is giving them instructions prior to exiting the runway. GUARANTEED he just isn't taxing around the airport randomly.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB View Post
    Of all the times I've sat on monitor (where we actually have the tower frequencies keyed up with override capabilities), I've NEVER heard a pilot get yelled at by Atlanta tower for "stopping the flow." I've heard them get short with pilots for not reading back hold short instructions or not replying in a timely manner. Aircraft don't just taxi around aimlessly at busy airports...
    Well that makes sense, if ground control is the one doing the chastizing.

    And nobody says people are taxiing aimlessly. However, the official guidance from the FAA is to exit the runway completely and STOP if you haven't been given further instructions. The anecdotes you hear from pilots (and really, I've only ever heard this with regards to ORD, ATL is a new one) say that ATC gets shitty with you if you don't at least turn into the flow of ground traffic. These are localized examples of interactions with bent out of shape controllers and/or exaggerated because it's people on the Internet. Who really knows. But for years, I've heard the legend of ORD and not stopping after runway exiting.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Quote Originally Posted by FM_Weasel View Post
    Well that makes sense, if ground control is the one doing the chastizing.

    And nobody says people are taxiing aimlessly. However, the official guidance from the FAA is to exit the runway completely and STOP if you haven't been given further instructions. The anecdotes you hear from pilots (and really, I've only ever heard this with regards to ORD, ATL is a new one) say that ATC gets shitty with you if you don't at least turn into the flow of ground traffic. These are localized examples of interactions with bent out of shape controllers and/or exaggerated because it's people on the Internet. Who really knows. But for years, I've heard the legend of ORD and not stopping after runway exiting.
    Have you not been reading Stinger posts? He said people are randomly taxing to the ramp as long as they stay with the flow of the aircraft and they are not to ever stop even without guidance from the GC/LC at ORD. He claims there is a golden rule at ORD that pilots are to NEVER top taxing even without instructions.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    What has been your experience at ORD?

    We're just talking here. Afterall, the official guidance has already been posted and I think the OP's question has been answered.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Quote Originally Posted by FM_Weasel View Post
    What has been your experience at ORD?

    We're just talking here. Afterall, the official guidance has already been posted and I think the OP's question has been answered.
    Me? I have never been to ORD. I am a controller not a pilot but as you said I know they are not allowing aircraft to taxi around aimlessly as Stinger said.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    I don't understand how this is such a big issue. Everyone knows the actual rule is to not move around the taxiways without being instructed to do so. You might get chastised on frequency, but you're following the rules and can't get in any real trouble.
    But if you exit the runway and see a line of planes all taxiing to the gates, and can't get a word in to ground, some pilots will join the line and literally nothing will be said about it since they're keeping the runway exits clear.
    There's nothing random or aimless about taxiing to the ramp, the controllers know exactly where the planes are going anyway.
    I've never flown my own plane into ORD, but when I've worked ground at airports I've been at, sometimes a pilot doesn't call and goes to parking and I just keep an eye on them.

    FM_Weasel posted the book rules and guidelines, so follow those.

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Quote Originally Posted by kaeXo View Post
    Me? I have never been to ORD. I am a controller not a pilot but as you said I know they are not allowing aircraft to taxi around aimlessly as Stinger said.
    You're presuming to know something about a place you neither work or fly into. That's, like, your opinion man

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    Re: Question About Taxi After Landing

    Random taxiing? Legend or no..what happens when a flight has a tearing medical and needs a now blocked entrance, hot brakes, or speaks aviation English only and takes a wrong turn never having been at the airfield before. All of which I have encountered on position. This is a recipe for so many bad things. I would be surprised if the FAA, NTSB or airport authority, let alone their own airline would ever stand by a pilot that operated without clearance in a positive control area. I agree the pressure is probably huge, but one of these days after some truly unfortunate incident.This will change. It's all fun and games till somebody loses a eye.

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