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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Thank You all for your advice & feedback. What are your thoughts towards Aviation Management?

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StuSEL View Post
    My bet, if what you're saying comes true, is they'll ask the CTI schools to start submitting information on students taking CTI classes again. Then the CTI people like me who graduate between January 2014 and then will be asking to have our information submitted as well. That'll be a great show.
    Wouldn't it suck if the FAA then said, "We're sorry, the CTI degree you earned in May 2014 (prior to the reinstitution of CTI bids) doesn't meet our updated specifications. In order to be considered, we'll need to you re-accomplish your CTI degree"??? Not that they'd actually DO that, mind you!

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by jcabral View Post
    Thank You all for your advice & feedback. What are your thoughts towards Aviation Management?
    A degree in Airport/Aviation Management will definitely give you a leg-up if you go the Airport Manager route, especially at a non-FAR Part 139 certificated airport (an airport not certified for scheduled airline service). Many, many municipal airports are managed by non-degree holders, and quite a few municipal airport managers have zero aviation experience. The money isn't bad (depending on location), but the hours can be long. And there is a LOT to figure out when managing a municipal airport: finances, ALPs, FAA grants & grant assurances, environmental compliance, landlord/tenant relationships... oh, and probably the biggest part is politics.

    If, on the other hand, you're looking at working your way up the corporate ladder at a larger airport, I'd recommend a program that will also encourage you to obtain accreditation by the American Association of Airport Executives (AAAE.org), either through the school or independently.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    I have an Aviation Management degree, and I have worked in Airport Operations at 3 Part 139 certificated airports. If you want to break into the airport world you should have some sort of degree and at least some aviation experience (FBO/Military). In the new airport world, you won't get a look without a degree. I, also, have a CM and an ACE designation from AAAE that were all paid for by the airports I have worked for. You need to be willing to move around to get hired and move up the ladder...unless you want to be paid pennies your whole career. Let me know if you want to know more about Airport Management.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    I would be very surprised if a good deal of FAA facility ATMs even had college degrees...

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Radams 328 yes please. If you could post some links or PM with more that would be greatly accepted. Thanks everyone for the info you all have confirmed my fears. Daniel Webster College has been bull shiting us into believing us our degree still means something. In the end they just want my tuition money. I am currently exploring my options carrier wise in the world of aviation.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Piper-Driver View Post
    A degree in Airport/Aviation Management will definitely give you a leg-up if you go the Airport Manager route, especially at a non-FAR Part 139 certificated airport (an airport not certified for scheduled airline service).
    Just to add a correction here, there are many airports certified under Part 139 that do not have scheduled airline service. It's not a requirement for certification.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StuSEL View Post
    Just to add a correction here, there are many airports certified under Part 139 that do not have scheduled airline service. It's not a requirement for certification.
    That is 100% correct

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by StuSEL View Post
    Just to add a correction here, there are many airports certified under Part 139 that do not have scheduled airline service. It's not a requirement for certification.
    Exactly. Unless an airport is certificated under Part 139, there can't be any scheduled air carrier service to that airport. What I was telling the OP is that his chances of getting an airport manager's job at a non-Part 139 airport with an Airport Management degree were pretty darned good, considering there are a bunch of municipal airports with managers that have zero aviation experience. To ramp it up to a Part 139 airport (where you have "directors" instead of "managers"), I suggested a AAAE endorsement.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    If you are not a VETERAN - Airport Operations is almost impossible to get into; due to preference. They will give all Veterans pref. regardless if they have aviation experience or not.

    So, if you have a degree in Aviation Management, internship through an airport conducting runway checks, airport advisory circulars, airport operations, familiar with ATC ...etc. It will be useless! The best bet is to look for DOD contractor jobs that have openings regarding aviation background skills. Unless you apply at an airport that has little competition (but you will only make $9/hour in those locations).

    Good luck if you have not defaulted on your student loans in which you cannot afford because you will most likely need a Security Clearance.

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