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    Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Hello Everyone,

    My name is James. With these new hiring rules the F.A.A has put in place, just how value is a degree in ATM & ATC . I not just talking ATC but the world of aviation as well. Your thoughts? ATM meaning meaning Air Traffic Management. My apologies.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Unless the FAA reverses its decision to group CTI graduates into a general public hiring pool, the degree will be absolutely worthless unless it enables you to check a box that says "Yes, I have a 2/4-year degree" on an employment application. It's not going to prepare you for jobs outside of ATC or aviation.

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    Initially getting hired as a controller, esp under the current (new) system, it won't make a difference. If your career goal is to eventually end up in management (more money, but off "the floor") it'll make you more competive. Essentially, the same as any other job - hands on (controller), doesn't make too much of a difference; management positions, degree is >= experience.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ATCchiver View Post
    If your career goal is to eventually end up in management (more money, but off "the floor") it'll make you more competive.
    Plenty of controllers make way more than the sups/managers they report to, way more.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    In 5 years they will have a new study that says they don't have enough controllers with college degrees and bring the program back.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram_Tough View Post
    In 5 years they will have a new study that says they don't have enough controllers with college degrees and bring the program back.
    My bet, if what you're saying comes true, is they'll ask the CTI schools to start submitting information on students taking CTI classes again. Then the CTI people like me who graduate between January 2014 and then will be asking to have our information submitted as well. That'll be a great show.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by shaba169 View Post
    Plenty of controllers make way more than the sups/managers they report to, way more.
    This is correct.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    I should've qualified my statement. I was referring to people w/ comparable time in the agency. But yes, it's important that James, and others, understand that an 11/12 CPC w/ 10+ yrs in has a good chance of making more than a new/relatively new FLM/ATM/other mgmt position.
    That being said, if a new hire's 5-10 yr goal is to make the most money possible, mgmt is an option (along w/transferring, if not already at a 12 facility); & a degree makes you more competive.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jcabral35 View Post
    Hello Everyone,

    My name is James. With these new hiring rules the F.A.A has put in place, just how value is a degree in ATM & ATC . I not just talking ATC but the world of aviation as well. Your thoughts? ATM meaning meaning Air Traffic Management. My apologies.
    For the time being, your education and experience are meaningless to the FAA unless you pass the Biographical Questionnaire. A degree in "air traffic management" probably gives you little or no advantage in being hired over someone with any other type of bachelor's degree for the rest of the aviation industry, unless you manage to acquire some kind of technical certifications (e.g., instrument rating/CFI, dispatcher's license) along the way. Once you're in the FAA, degrees convert to a point value for bidding other jobs and promotions, but not enough that they are essential (e.g., a doctorate is worth 20 points, and being area/facility-certified at an ATC-12 is worth 36 points).

    For a degree as narrow as air traffic management, I would not borrow more money than it would cost to get a degree in business management from your state's best public university.

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    Re: Value of Degrees in Air Traffic Control ATC & ATM Air Traffic Control

    A degree in finance would help more than a degree in ATC if your goal is mgmt. Especially with jobs that work with budgets.

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