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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    So it sounds like its not standard, which explains why i didn't learn about it during my instrument training, but its something that if I ask for it, the controller is likely to know what I'm talking about.

    From a general aviation single pilot operation point of view, there are situations where I might need a few minutes to take care of an issue like having my charts or iPad fall on the floor and slide under the seat out of reach, or the GPS acting up, etc. A holding pattern is great most of the time when everything is going smoothly, but holding a heading and altitude for 10 min is much much easier than having to do standard rate turns every minute when you're fumbling through the menu of a GPS in a rental aircraft, or trying to figure out why the alternator light and landing gear lights keep flickering, etc.

    This is a good option to have, in a crunch.

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    We issue delay vectors every day for SFO arrivals. I’ll regularly turn someone off the STAR and assign several vectors. We tell the pilots it’s vectors for sequencing. But we’ll call them delay vectors as controllers. I haven’t heard anyone ever request “delay vectors”. But I’ve had lots of pilots say they need to work on something or they aren’t ready to go inbound towards the airport just yet, and in that case I’m happy to vector them however long they need. That’s usually in conjunction with some sort of issue they’re having and the need to run through a checklist or talk to operations though. If you call and request delay vectors I’m going to start asking you what’s wrong. We’re planning where you’re going to line up on final, and with who, when you’re still 80 miles south of the field. If you ask for vectors to fix an issue or your iPad isn’t loading with the approach or something, cool I can work with you. But if you want to be vectored just so you can fly over the coast for awhile or switch seats, that’s not cool. This is all assuming your IFR of course. And I’m sure controllers in less busy airspace would have less of an issue with delay vectoring for fun.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Delay vectors are common. It’s basically vectors in lieu of a hold. Common during runway changes, flow metering, pilot requests vectors to burn fuel etc.

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    @Murph20047 - Good info, thanks. I probably wouldn't need a delay vector if I was 80 miles out and just cruising along at altitude. I'm just thinking about the times that I've been doing practice approaches and the GPS doesn't arm properly, or I accidentally load the wrong approach and am frantically trying to navigate through the GPS menus to arm the correct approach while I'm being vectored for the approach. Of course, this is why I'm doing the practice approaches with a safety pilot in the first place, but it gives me a bit of an anxiety attack thinking about that happening in IMC by myself. Its good to know I can just ask for this kind of assistance without making a huge production.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Absolutely. If you were shooting an approach and something goes wrong with equipment or even if you just have a bad feeling and want to try again, or you weren’t ready when you thought you’d be, always let us know. That’s what we’re here for. Even if I’m busy as hell with other traffic I will always be able to vector you around to try the approach again. You may have to wait a few minutes somewhere before I get you back in the sequence. But most of the time it’s no big deal. I’d rather you tell me you need some more time or want to try an approach again, than fly an approach you aren’t ready for.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbalunda View Post
    Good ole metering to MSP. Had to slow down all my arrivals this morning for metering
    If you are Cotton, it happens way more than it should. We hate it, sooooo stupid.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil07 View Post
    I don't fly IFR much, and I don't remember this from my IFR training days, but I just read about "delay vectors". From my understanding, a delay vector is a vector out in a safe direction and altitude to kill time. My questions are:

    1. Can I request this, or is this something that can only be assigned by controller?
    2. If I can request this, when is it appropriate to request?
    3. Are there any limitations or issues when requesting this?
    1) Yes, you can request it. Usually it is used by controllers when we need to delay you for some reason (like a runway change), but not quite long enough delay for holding.
    2) Usually when the request comes from a pilot it's for something like needing to burn extra fuel to get weight down, they need a few minutes to reconfigure, time to brief a new approach, or investigate something possibly malfunctioning.
    3) Basically the only limitation is where you go. If you request a delay vector for some reason, we are going to put you where you aren't in the way of other traffic. Generally it won't bother us, but if you are pulled out of a sequence for it, chances are you're going to the back of the line when you're done.
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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by j_time41 View Post
    If you are Cotton, it happens way more than it should. We hate it, sooooo stupid.
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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Ahhh, the other side.

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    Re: Delay Vectors?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbalunda View Post
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    The beloved metering at MSP, what’s up neighbor. I’m in the Nodine/Eau Claire area with your buddy Jake.

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